san 9090- no respect?

[vintagestereo]

The 9090 is a great receiver. The price difference might be due to the 50WPC more power on the 1250. I have owned both, and personally, I like the build quality of the 1250 better. A closer comparison might be the 9090 verus the 1050. My 2 cents

As an owner of both the SX-1250 and 9090DB I can assure you that the SX-1250 is the better reciever. For one, it's got a huge Toroidal Transformer. For two, it's got a Dual Power Supply Design and a much beefier power supply over all. For three, it's got MUCH BETTER shielding. For four, it uses high quality switches. For five, it's got more power. For six, it's got a MUCH better tuner. I could go on and on, but I won't. Don't get me wrong. I really like the looks of my 9090 and the sound ain't bad either! However, the SX-1250 is one of the all time greats and highwater mark for Receiver design. It is simply SUPERIOR to the 9090 in virtually every respect. I agree that the SX-1050, which is in the same power class, would be a better unit to compare it with.

If anything, it's surprising that SX-1250 can still be had so cheaply. If you don't have one, get one quickly!

 

[vintagestereo]

I had a sx1250. Just had to own one after hearing all the hype. Beautiful looking big reciever with a great tuning section. Awesome build quality to. Soundwise well it got beat out by a lowly c2 and a botl kenwood power amp. Also had some quirky tone controls that just didn't clear up with a good dose of deoxit. Too bad it didn't sound as good as it looked or I'd have kept it. Now the 9090db that I own is different story altogether. Great retro look, wonderful sound, along with a great tuning section. So in my case the 1250 went bye bye and the 9090 will be staying a looonnng time. Just my 2 cents worth.

Your SX-1250 sounds like it needed a MAJOR tuneup/refurb. A fully restored SX-1250 will be the pants of off just about anything out there. Trust me. I know.

 

[vintagestereo]

The Sansui 9090 & 9090db are lower priced now and it appears the supply is greater. I have found two at give away prices in 2005 around here. Never have seem Pioneer at estate or garage sales yet (But I am looking for a SX 1280 or 1980). GI's brought lots of them home and one reason was the cool blue looks. The Pioneer always was rather dull looking with white lights. Lets face it, looks and style sells. Most plain folks were not into specifications and even the power war and the Sansui had that "look". I always thought they were better than Pioneer and Kenwood with only Marantz being more desirable.

People buy cars with the best cup holders and other non performing gagets to make the sale to the average Joe.

Today, Toshiba has a cooler looking laptops, again blue leds and start button that make Dell and HP look dull.

Charlie

Charlie - I have no idea where you're getting your information but Pioneer consistently sold Sansui by large margins here in the States. It was not the Sansui that "had the look", but the Pioneer. The 9090DB was Sansui's copy of the Pioneer SX-1010. And when the SX-1010 was replaced by the all silverfaced SX-1250, Sansui ultimately came out with their all silverfaced G Series.

I also think you give the average Joe too little credit. He's not some IDIOT that is impressed by trivial features. Most people are more intelligent than you might think!

The 9090 and 9090DB have an Achilles Heel in their switch gear and associated components and gets oxidized easily. They're a real $@%^# to clean. The Pioneers don't have this problem.

Simply put, the Sansuis are less desireable and that's why they go cheaper. I am not dissing Sansui. I own a 5000X, a 9090DB and a G-9000. But, I am well acquainted with their failings.

 

[Morden2004]

I'm using this "Baby" Vacuum Cleaner. Very handy :thmbsp:

Now that's a pro tool!! I like it. :thmbsp:

Paul

 

[Duffinator]

The 9090DB was Sansui's copy of the Pioneer SX-1010.

I had never put that one together but after looking at your Monster Receiver website and the new pictures of the SX-1010 the 9090 is almost an exact copy! I like both Sansui's and Pioneer's and you can't go wrong with either. But I'm having minor problems with my 9090DB while my SX-1250 works and sounds as new and it's never been touched, not even a light bulb. The quality is top notch.

 

[Morden2004]

Charlie - I have no idea where you're getting your information but Pioneer consistently sold Sansui by large margins here in the States
<<snip>>

Simply put, the Sansuis are less desireable and that's why they go cheaper. I am not dissing Sansui. I own a 5000X, a 9090DB and a G-9000. But, I am well acquainted with their failings.

Well, I'm glad you put in that comforting addendum - {I am not dissing Sansui} - because I had my finger right over the [Ban The Bastard] button and I was this close :twak: to pushing it! :lmao:

Paul

 

[vintagestereo]

Well, I'm glad you put in that comforting addendum - {I am not dissing Sansui} - because I had my finger right over the [Ban The Bastard] button and I was this close :twak: to pushing it! :lmao:

Paul

Paul -- I was only speaking of the 9090 and 9090DB compared with the SX-1250. I think the 9090DB could more than hold its own against an SX-1050. However, the 9090DB does have certain failings, which we are all aware of. However, I LOVE it for the way it looks and the sheer BRAWNINESS of the whole thing. Thanks for not banning me.

-- Chris

 

[Morden2004]

Paul -- I was only speaking of the 9090 and 9090DB compared with the SX-1250. I think the 9090DB could more than hold its own against and SX-1050. However, the 9090DB does have certain failings, which we are all aware of. However, I LOVE it for the way it looks and the sheer BRAWNINESS of the whole thing. Thanks for not banning me.

-- Chris

I'm feeling unrewarded - not one sole in the Exclusively Sansui forum is giving me grief - because I can't exercise my super powers granted to me by the boss's here at AK. I'm worried that they may recall my warrant as a forum moderator if I don't soon send someone packing :scratch2: .

What to do? What to do? :tears:

Paul

 

[Duffinator]

I'm feeling unrewarded - not one sole in the Exclusively Sansui forum is giving me grief - because I can't exercise my super powers granted to me by the boss's here at AK. I'm worried that they may recall my warrant as a forum moderator if I don't soon send someone packing :scratch2: .

What to do? What to do? :tears:

Paul

Ban Dire McCain for starting a thread and not following up!

But of course I'm just kidding about the ban part. Maybe a few hours listening to an early Sony AVR would be punishment enough. :yes:

 

[Morden2004]

Ban Dire McCain for starting a thread and not following up!

But of course I'm just kidding about the ban part. Maybe a few hours listening to an early Sony AVR would be punishment enough. :yes:

Yes, of course! Twenty hours of black-faced SONY ought to do it! Great idea.

Paul

 

[dr*audio]

Here's the part I used to replace the diff amp transistors: 2SC2240, available at MCM.
Here are the other transistors I used:
Predrivers: 2SA1535AR, 2SC3944AQ (Digikey)
Drivers: MJE15031, MJE15030 (Digikey)
Outputs: MJ21193, MJ21194 (Digikey)
I also replaced all the electrolytic caps on the driver board.

 

[stabist]

Originally Posted by EchoWars

I also have ripped out the stock BA312 opamps in the preamp section and replaced with a Burr-Brown OPA2604. An intensive job, since the BA312 is powered by a single 32V (IIRC) supply, and the OPA2604 needs split supplies

Hi,

just one tip - why so many people loves OPA2604 so much?? I myself sonnically much much much more like OPA2132 or OPA2134.

I just want to say - give those tvo OPAs a shot and you might get very (positively) surprised. And I think (that's the sugarcream top) both of them are even cheaper than OPA2604.

 

[moondog]

Well as a proud owner of 2 - 9090DB's... I have no great desire to toss either one of them to the curb and replace them with ANY Pioneer receiver.

Not that I don't like Pioneers or anything. I'm just completely happy with what I have and that's good enough for me!

Moondog
Originator of the 9090DB Club here many years ago...

 

[vintagestereo]

But I'm having minor problems with my 9090DB while my SX-1250 works and sounds as new and it's never been touched, not even a light bulb. The quality is top notch.

Amen!

 

[CDFixer]

I also think you give the average Joe too little credit. He's not some IDIOT that is impressed by trivial features. Most people are more intelligent than you might think!

The 9090 and 9090DB have an Achilles Heel in their switch gear and associated components and gets oxidized easily. They're a real $@%^# to clean. The Pioneers don't have this problem.

You are right about the switches in the Sansui's, Toshiba used the same rotory switches in there gear also.

About trivial features, the reason I bought my 8080DB (should have been a 9090DB but thats another story), I picked the Sansui for the built in Dolby circuit, at the time no other receiver had that feature, Dolby was new and some tape decks had not yet incorported the dolby system (or maybe you had an older deck or R to R.