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Sand-filled Baffle Epiphany!

Crestwood23

He said touch it in the back
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Finally got my hands on some elusive Wharfedale SFB/3's - one of the first commercially available "open baffle" type speaker designs from the golden age of audio. Big thanks to Tcomisky, who made the trip to West Virginia to pick these monsters up. AK is such an incredible place where we audio-obsessed enablers can pool our collective resources and make each other's long shot audio dreams come true! I had been curious about this design for a while, and after searching for over 2 years I finally have a nice original clean pair to play with.

According to my research, Gilbert Briggs designed these after being impressed by a new speaker on the market at the time - the Quad ESL57. His design is apparently more efficient (15ohm) and easier on amplifiers (doesn't need any on board power supply), is easier to place in a smaller room, has deeper bass in greater quantity (quad owners don't shoot me - this is just based on what I've read!), and has those sweet Wharfedale alnico cone drivers that I know and love. They also originally sold for about half of the price of the 57's. I'd still love to try a pair of 57s at some point for a shootout, but I have to hold off on bringing any more speakers into the house until the WAF dust settles...

:whip:

I was lucky enough to find a beautiful pair of SFB/3 “Windsor Deluxes” - there were three different cabinet configurations in the SFB/3 lineup. The standard cabinet design (which I was most familiar with seeing), the “Warwick Custom“ and finally the “Windsor Deluxe”. None of them are true cabinets in the traditional sense - more just different approaches to a wooden skeletal frame with acoustically transparent fabric panels. Here's a brochure detailing the pricing difference:

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Tom and I carefully dragged these beasts into my basement and I hooked them up to the 16ohm taps of the 8b. They are quite a bit taller and wider (similar depth) than my w90s which was a surprise. Taking a closer look at the drivers, it seems I got extra lucky in that these are a version of SFB that uses cloth and wool surround material - most used foam that rotted away. After confirming all drivers were functional I pushed them a bit harder. They responded beautifully - WOW - these sound HUGE! The overall tonality is very similar to my w90s (no surprise there as they share the super three tweeter), but the presentation is very different. Everything seems to sound much BIGGER on these - and spacial effects are more pronounced with enhanced depth (reverb, mic placement etc). Drums are the best I've heard in my room so far, the CRACK of the snare has real weight and presence, and the bass drum and toms are juicy and toneful. The w90s have some of this quality too but it all seems so much BIGGER and so much MORE with these SFB's. Guitars, organ, piano, flute and percussion are all tonally spot on as well, thanks to the super 3 tweeter. I was afraid the treble would be recessed with these speakers as the tweeter is up firing (as opposed to front firing in the w90's), but it's been just the opposite, if anything they are a bit brighter than the w90's with more "air" in the upper treble. Like the w90s they are very sensitive to positioning and seating position of the listener. I find if I sit up straighter in my chair (so I can start to see the tops of the cabinets) the treble is increased, like a physical tone control. I can't wait to get more listening time with them, but my first overall impression is very good. Definitely worth the wait!

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Those look amazing! I just picked up a single home made speaker with the super 3 tweeter and 8" midrange and I was very impressed! Alas the woofer had been replaced so I couldn't get a true feel for it :(
 
Goodness, a blast from the past. I recall a set of these were traded in when I worked at a stereo shop in the mid-70s. The sand-filled back panels certainly added a lot of weight but also inertia to the cabinetry - yeah, I was the poor soul who had to wrestle them into the store!

Congratulations on getting a set. I see the British Industries Corp (BIC) is the original company - not the same as the later BIC of turntable fame.

Cheers,

David
 
Don't forget that's extra-special British sand with unique acoustic properties.

Beautiful cabinets. Where were they stored for the past fifty years that they're so pristine? Looks like a trivial amount of dust is all to show for a half century...
 
These moments are what we love to read about and experience. Awesome. I'm not envious, and am happy for your good fortune! Thanks for sharing your impressions and great closeup photos.
 
Hubba hubba, thems is steamy hot. Congratulations, am very jealous!

Biggles
Thanks Biggles, they are the first speaker I have had in some time that didn't require exstensive sanding or oiling - weird to have a speaker be so "plug and play"!

Wow, lucky you! :) Looking forward to hearing more impressions of these, especially against the W90.
They seem to have a lot in common with the w90 in the tone department, but on a larger scale. Need some time to really do some critical listening with these. I know the sound of the w90s like the back of my hand, so far these sound like a w90 on steroids.

Goodness, a blast from the past. I recall a set of these were traded in when I worked at a stereo shop in the mid-70s. The sand-filled back panels certainly added a lot of weight but also inertia to thes cabinetry - yeah, I was the poor soul who had to wrestle them into the store!

Congratulations on getting a set. I see the British Industries Corp (BIC) is the original company - not the same as the later BIC of turntable fame.

Cheers,

David

Thanks David! That is a cool story. I briefly tried these with the MC225 you restored and it sounded fantastic. Once I get familiar with the sound of these I plan on a shootout between the 225 and the 8b! :thumbsup:
 
Don't forget that's extra-special British sand with unique acoustic properties.

Beautiful cabinets. Where were they stored for the past fifty years that they're so pristine? Looks like a trivial amount of dust is all to show for a half century...

I thought the same thing. It's amazing when something like this can survive for so long completely unscathed! There are a few scuffs here and there, and I wiped about 2 pounds of dust our of the nooks and crannies in the back panels, but overall they are super clean. So thankful that @Tcomisky was able to hand deliver these to me, the chances of them being abused in shipping is unfortunately very high.
 
They are beautiful and unique! It's great when you finally acquire a piece of gear you've search for, and in this condition.
Nice description regarding their sonics as well!

Congrats!
 
They are beautiful and unique! It's great when you finally acquire a piece of gear you've search for, and in this condition.
Nice description regarding their sonics as well!

Congrats!

Thanks Glenn, hey isnt it about time that you added some Wharfies to your awesome speaker collection? :idea: :D
 
Oh there's ALWAYS a little more room...:biggrin:

Time to move out some of that AR and KLH deadweight! :smoke:
 
Oh there's ALWAYS a little more room...:biggrin:

Time to move out some of that AR and KLH deadweight! :smoke:
Haha! It would take something major rare and major unique and a major upgrade for me to move the 3's, or LST-2's out!
Hell, the 910's pushed out the Bose 901's, 301's, my first pair of KLH Six's I bought, and the AR-2A's. So there!
 
Haha! It would take something major rare and major unique and a major upgrade for me to move the 3's, or LST-2's out!
Hell, the 910's pushed out the Bose 901's, 301's, my first pair of KLH Six's I bought, and the AR-2A's. So there!

Touché! :beatnik:

Although I still think you'd be wise to swap out your KLH 23 for a set of w90s should they come along - much more Scott friendly! :naughty:
 
I'm sure they are, and BIG! If you were closer, I'd be over to hear those on a regular basis!
 
Thanks Biggles, they are the first speaker I have had in some time that didn't require exstensive sanding or oiling - weird to have a speaker be so "plug and play"!

I know, right. I'm going through the same thoughts with the Leak's I recently drug home. I don't need to refinish them! Very, very odd.

Biggles
 
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