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Sansui G9000 hums as soon as speakers are switched on

djbono

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I recently spent alot of time & love on my G9000
(Full thread here: https://audiokarma.org/forums/index...other-protector-wont-come-off-thread.1095294/)

It's got two new F2806 boards , new power caps (with these boards: Moderator note: link to eBay removed as that would violate AK rules.
and alot of new parts on F2809. Not all caps have been replaced but more than half I would say; similar for transistors and diodes.

It works like a charm and I love it;
However - a few days into my honeymoon I realized that there's a very very noticeable humm when there's nothing playing. Loud enough that I hear it when listening to music softly and there' s a silence/gap, or even in between notes.
- That's when using the pre-amp. Even with nothing hooked to aux - I'll get the hum; and likewise when hooked to my source there's a hum.
- When disconnecting the pre-amp; it's almost un-noticeable - but as soon as I hook up something to the power amp, the very same humm appears.

I'm pretty certain it wasn't there before I swapped the big caps (which was my last job on the unit) but cannot be certain. The speakers I used to test when working on the unit are very large columns that seem to react alot less to the noise (I assume, less efficient so it's not being heard that much?) - so it *may* have been there during my pre-cap-swap testing but I'm almost 95% certain no.

When I hook them on bookshelves (Rogers Ls4a) - the humm is just so damn "loud" it's driving me crazy. (It's not 'loud' per say, but its pretty noticeable and .. annoying). I'm feeling like Alex in a clockwork orange - although instead of beethoven its that dreaded humm.

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I'm at a loss... I don' tknow where to start debugging that. I've had tremendous of help from board members getting it to work - I cannot be thankful ever enough for it - and it seems with you guys I'm helpless. Any ideas ?


The humm looks like this:
humm.jpg

Granted, it doesn't look like much but on small speakers its loud.
Almost the same buzz that Marty McFly experiences at the beginning of BTTF 1 when he's waiting for Doc at his house and plugs in his guitar on an overdrived amp (that ends up exploding.)

I simply can't enjoy any classical, jazz, etc. as the humm blends with the music at low levels
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I know its foolish to try and record the sound but in case... that's me switching the spks on/off while trying to record close to the driver.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KB37ZXTuoq1erJLCUtiQ2srcumy4ynDN/view?usp=sharing
(Can't verify if we hear it, cause on my setup I always hear it!)

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It's not very scientific but when I open the case, and move my hands towards the big caps or any of the f2806 boards then it induces alot more noise in the channel my hand is close to. Not theremin-like sound but same behaviour that's for sure.


(I removed the black shields for the test but when present they don't change a thing.)

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What did I miss guys ?
 
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The real last job I did on it wasn't the big caps but swapping the lamps for LEDs ... I'm starting to wonder if they could be the cause...?
 
I just removed the bottom plate and its much less 'worse' - though not completely gone; and still unacceptable.
 
I guess I must have ?
I've flipped over the F2809 board so many times that I don't exactly remember where all wires were originally.
I remember re zip-tying some together before putting back the bottom plate - to the best of my knowledge pretty much where they were / with the wires they were with initially;

Here are some pictures taken just now of the spagetthi

 
It's not very scientific but when I open the case, and move my hands towards the big caps or any of the f2806 boards then it induces alot more noise in the channel my hand is close to. Not theremin-like sound but same behaviour that's for sure.

Back in the day I built many power amps from high performance kits, including MOSFET and shielded cable intensive preamps and often these erroneous hums were poor earth connections either on pcb pads, through holes or exit pins. A pain to check but a likely source of the hummmmmm
 
Thanks,
I was afraid it would be something of the like; feels like trying to find a needle in a haystack
 
You might get more responses with your pics posted in the thread. I would examine the wiring and listen through headphones with no volume, see if you can clearly hear the hum. Then gently more some wires with a plastic rod. If you find some wires that affect your hum you might find your cause. The wiring to move slightly will be signal wires. Especially look for signal wires that run right next to in parallel with power wires.

It may not be wiring at all, it's just one possibility
 
Well; the forum doesn't allow for properly sized pictures; that's why I host them externally.
Were you able to access them

Good test - with the headphones the humm is UNBEARABLE. Seems much stronger (almost only present) on the left channel.

No matter what wires I play with underneath has no measurable effect.
But when I come close to what I believe is the power input of both F2806 driver boards the humms varies (just like in the videos)

...ghosts!
 
Normal for the hum to increase with the presence of your hand. Left channel, hmm, is that also much stronger in the speakers? Did you remove any controls from the chassis? When you put them back did you snug the nuts that secure them? Likewise with any screws removed? Sometimes controls and boards make their ground connections through these means.

Is your selector on AUX? Phono? if so is the same hum present on AM?
 
Thanks-
It doesn't feel much stronger in the left speakers when on; but on the headphones yes
It seems related to the pre-amp or after it, as the source doesn't affect it
I have not removed any controls from the chassis; but I will go on a hunt for poorly tightened screws

thanks for the tips !
 
Did you try swapping the inputs to the driver board between left and right, see if the stronger hum moves from left channel to right. It will help to isolate is it the preamp or power amp.
 
And if you are certain pre not amp, you can then send the tape out to another unit. If you get it in tape out you know it's coming before all of your tone controls, like an RCA plug that is losing ground.

Did you confirm it is all functions, not just AUX or just phono?
 
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