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Sansui SR-929 different versions?

Vintagear

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There are two different versions of the SR-929. One version has a raised brand/model tag adhered to the front right of the plinth, a black indicator dial on the tone arm weight and a smooth knob for the speed adjustment on the left. The other version has the brand/logo lettering screened right onto the plinth, a metal indicator dial on the tone arm weight and a ribbed knob on the speed adjustment.

Does anyone know which is the early vs. late version and if there were ANY other changes in the electronics or construction between the two versions?

Images & video below:

http://classichifi.info/SansuiSR-929.shtml

http://www.thevintageknob.org/sansui-SR-929.html


 
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Very interesting, never noticed this difference. Maybe the serial numbers would answer the question? Mine has the model screened onto the plinth and the serial number is: 317040506
 
I have the version with the embossed logo badge affixed to the front of the plinth. Will get the serial number posted ASAP for reference.

Edit: I now see I have misinterpreted the logo badge difference in the first post. The OP was referring to the model number printing on the top of the plinth near the front edge, not the Sansui logomark on the front left. My 929 has the screen print model ID directly on the black lacquer finish, not the raised
Model ID plate.
 
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My guess is that the units made in factory number "32" have the raised logo/ black dial and those manufactured in factory number "31" all have the screened logo/ metal dial. It's possible production started in factory #32 and then phased to factory #31 which would explain why in a year like '77 there may be both types. Both production facilities probably ran concurrently for a while. Of course, I could be way off.

Let's see what @Sansuiman comes back with.
 
Ok, my SR-929 has serial number 318040088. 88th unit built on line 31 in April 1978.
 
So this is very, very strange. I've seen models make minor changes (like the knobs and speaker outputs on the AU-919) but two versions of the 929 made on the same line/factory in overlapping years?

There has to be a logical explanation. I wonder if anyone out there has owned both versions and compared the internals. Even if they are otherwise identical, why the two different physical characteristics? And why always consistent? It's not like it's a mix and match of parts. From what I have seen it's either one combination or the other. Hopefully a Sansui historian (or sleuth) can help us get to the bottom of this.

The plot thickens...
 
I can't really explain the other differences cited upthread, but the plinth/logomark variation is probably explained by the manufacturer and finish of the plinth being done by more than one vendor/contract manufacturer at the same time. Much like the knobs on the G-8000 and 9000 having two versions (thin ring and thick ring) they may have sourced some parts or subassemblies from more.than one company. Honestly, until this thread popped up I never even knew there were two versions. I don't think I've ever seen one with the raised plate apllied to the surface rather than the model number screen printed right on the black finish of the plinth.

Also, given Micro-Seki's apparent involvement in the development of some high end Sansui turntables, I wonder if they had a hand in supplying or assembling some of these to meet demand that Sansui couldn't fill in house.
 
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I can't really explain the other differences cited upthread, but the plinth/logomark variation is probably explained by the manufacturer and finish of the plinth being done by more than one vendor/contract manufacturer at the same time. Much like the knobs on the G-8000 and 9000 having two versions (thin ring and thick ring) they may have sourced some parts or subassemblies from more.than one company. Honestly, until this thread popped up I never even knew there were two versions. I don't think I've ever seen one with the raised plate apllied to the surface rather than the model number screen printed right on the black finish of the plinth.

Also, given Micro-Seki's apparent involvement in the development of some high end Sansui turntables, I wonder if they had a hand in supplying or assembling some of these to meet demand that Sansui couldn't fill in house.

Oh, I think I misread your original post. If that's the case I think my hunch may be correct. It may be that all serial numbers starting with "31" all have the screened logo/ metal weight dial/ ribbed knob and all the serial numbers starting with "32" have the raised logo/ black weight dial/ smooth knob.

Does anyone else have a 929 so that we can confirm? Even if we confirm, I'd still like to know if there are other internal/design differences between the two versions.
 
My 929 serial number is 327010439. It has the Metal silver dial weight and screen printed logo. I bought new in 1979. It also has the ribbed pitch control knob. Next theory ?
 
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My 929 serial number is 327010439. It has the Metal silver dial weight and screen printed logo. I bought new in 1979. It also has the ribbed pitch control knob. Next theory ?

LOL- I'm all out of bullets! :confused: My next guess would have been that maybe one version was for a specific geographic market but I don't think that's the case because I believe both can be found in the States. Is it possible one was the PX version like the AU-707 (AKA AU-717)? :dunno:

This is really perplexing. Why would a manufacturer have two versions of the same turntable made in two production facilities at the same time? It makes no sense at all, especially since the combinations appear to always be the same. It's not like they were mixing parts. :idea:
 
As it stands, it appears the older version has the applied model number "plaque" and black weight on the tonearm, smooth pitch knob. Newer version has screen print directly on the plinth and the silver weight on the tonearm. Unless someone comes up with a hybrid - and at this point, that could've been cobbled together from parts units anyway, so tells us nothing definitive - I'd say they made these three changes - with perhaps more yet to be uncovered - at a specific cut over point in production. Quite likely when the line change from 32 to 31 took place.

Regarding the model plate/screen print, I wonder if at start of production there were concerns that the screen print wouldn't reliably "stick" to the high gloss finish on the plinth. Wouldn't be the first time Sansui had problems with poor screen printed legends on a panel, and maybe they sought to avoid that by using the stick on badge. I had a 5000 receiver front panel I had to replace because much of the legend markings came off just with the light catch of a fingernail, and that was on anodized striated aluminum. The one I installed clearly used a different process as the screen print is rock solid, and even looks ever so slightly different.

The weight I could see simply being a running change for aesthetic improvement. The whole tonearm is silver why not the weight as well? The pitch control knob may have been a customer feedback prompted change, as the smooth knob may have not been as easy to grip. That sounds like an unlikely issue, but I can't think of any other reason (than just for the hell of it anyway) to slip in a minor change like that.

Now, if there was overlap of production between the two lines, it may just be that line 31 (which I'm assuming is where the later production/revised version took place) started with the new parts and line 32 finished out their build with the older parts. Are we assuming that both lines were in the same plant, or not? For that matter, do we know with certainty that these - some or all - were built in house by Sansui, or that a contract manufacturer may have been responsible for some or all of the units built? Lots of questions and no clear answers unless someone directly in the know - say an ex Sansui employee - is reading and posting here. And how likely is that?

Sansui made a lot of running changes, most never documented in any substantive way, and it hasn't been until forums like this popped up and we the obsessed fans of their gear started scrutinizing these old components in great detail that many of these changes became evident to begin with.

At 40+ years on, probably the best we'll ever do is to establish a fairly narrow date range in which the changes took place, whether it was concurrent with the production line change, or if the changes started on line 32 near the end of their run, and were integrated from the get go on line 31.
 
OK, here are the stats from the Serial Number Database:

We have 16 SR-929's on file but two have invalid serial numbers

Line 31 Production: April '77, December '77, March '78, April '78, September '78
Line 32 Production: January '77, Feb '77, March '77

So production started on Line 32 and switched over to Line 31 in April '77

As far as the cosmetic variations between the two, I'm willing to bet it's a simple supplier issue, a quality improvement upgrade or a cost savings issue.

I'll add the two serial numbers posted earlier in this thread to the database in the March update.

- Pete
 
LOL- I'm all out of bullets! :confused: My next guess would have been that maybe one version was for a specific geographic market but I don't think that's the case because I believe both can be found in the States. Is it possible one was the PX version like the AU-707 (AKA AU-717)? :dunno:

This is really perplexing. Why would a manufacturer have two versions of the same turntable made in two production facilities at the same time? It makes no sense at all, especially since the combinations appear to always be the same. It's not like they were mixing parts.
Interesting idea. Mine was bought thru US Army PX in Hawaii
 
Edit: post to which this was replying to has been deleted, just to avoid any confusion.

Just looked at mine. Serial number is 318040088 and is multi-voltage selectable. No UL sticker to be found, naturally. While that is a sample of one, it kind of shoots the theory that line 31 built only UL approved 120V versions. Now, it's certainly possible that line 31 was heavy on production of UL (and by extension, maybe CSA) 120V versions, but not exclusively from the looks of it.
 
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