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Serial Number Database EXPLODES!

LBPete

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February has been another extraordinary month for the database. Yesterday I uploaded 2,747 new previously unreported serial numbers. Almost all provided by the new, king of the serial number search, AK member @Peter lye. He, together with @Oilmaster, @Reidy12 and all of the individual contributions have substantially expanded the size and scope of the database in the past few months.

To put it in perspective, the original database had just under 5,000 serial numbers when it became inactive in 2009. After re-launch in 2017, we hit 10,000 serial numbers last October and since then we have added almost 4,500 more bringing the total to 14,455.

The original database was active approximately 6 years. We added almost as many serial numbers in the past 4 months as the original database compiled in those 6 years! THANKS to EVERYONE that contributed.

You may be asking why are cataloging serial numbers so important. Primarily it helps define when specific models were available and it gives some idea of how many of a particular model were made. For those ranges to be accurate you need as large of a sample size as possible. This helps capture the actual production range and helps identify errors in the serial numbers. Believe me, it’s easy to misread a digit in a serial number.

For example, if you have 35 serial numbers for a given model and they are all in a consecutive date range and you have one that is 5 months out of that date range, it’s likely that the 4th or 5th digit that identifies the month of production in that odd serial number is incorrect. If you only have 5 or 6 serial numbers for that model, that odd serial number is as valid as the other 5 because you don’t have a big enough sample size to determine the likely production range.

As most of you know, the serial number captures production line, year and date of manufacture and a sequential count of units manufactured on that line that month. Sansui routinely manufactured different models on the same production line in a given month. So a month’s production numbers can reflect the production of several models.

To have any hope of separating production numbers you have to determine what models were manufactured on a given production line in a given month. The larger the sample size, the more likely you will identify all the models produced on a given assembly line in a given month. More serial numbers = greater accuracy.

I’m concerned that the huge amount of serial number data being posted by our mega contributors might discourage some members from taking the time to post what they have. EVERY serial number counts. The more we have, the more accurate the database. Keep them coming!

- Pete
 
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It was even worse before Sansui switched from Roman numerals, sometime around MCMLIII or MCMLIV...

Instead of the wild west of a forum listing, is there a place where the serial numbers and equipment are cataloged in a more orderly manner, such as a database file or spreadsheet? That way the list can be indexed by year, equipment type, model number, etc.

Then again, where does one find the data plate on one of these?

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It was even worse before Sansui switched from Roman numerals, sometime around MCMLIII or MCMLIV...

Instead of the wild west of a forum listing, is there a place where the serial numbers and equipment are cataloged in a more orderly manner, such as a database file or spreadsheet? That way the list can be indexed by year, equipment type, model number, etc.

Yes, there is one known place where serial number and equipment types are cataloged in an orderly manner, The Sansui Serial Number Database. We can only dream about finding actual factory records. They either no longer exist or don't exist in a format or place we can access. The serial number database was created to fill that void. The only known records are the serial numbers on the actual equipment.

The intent of this post is to commemorate an extraordinary month of contributions and to highlight the value of the serial numbers. In the discussion of value, I may have unintentionally highlighted the very small numbers errors that occur. I can assure you that the overall error rate is actually quite small.

Then again, where does one find the data plate on one of these?

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The equipment Sansui built in the Roman Numeral era stands on it's own and doesn't need any other identification.

- Pete
 
Great Job Pete. I remember Morden mentioned adding his 20,000th entry of Sansui data. He had it sliced and diced all kinds of ways. Including ebay high/low prices and dates. Thanks for all your hard work Pete.
 
Thanks guys. I appreciate the kind words but please keep in mind it's a group effort. Many many people in addition to myself and the Mega posters listed above contribute to making this database what it is. Stay tuned, there's more to come!

Great Job Pete. I remember Morden mentioned adding his 20,000th entry of Sansui data. He had it sliced and diced all kinds of ways. Including ebay high/low prices and dates.
Paul started this database around 2002. There was very little Vintage Audio information, let alone Sansui specific info at that time. eBay was about the only source. He was helped by a number of AK members that acted as "bird dogs" to harvest sales and serial number data from eBay. Paul cataloged it all in databases. Many of the reports he generated from this data are still posted in Digital Docs but they haven't been updated in more than 10 years. He also tried to catalog things like what boards were used in various models. He kept these databases on his own servers. The separate "Sansui Equipment Database" forum was an attempt to bring his databases onto the AudioKarma Platform.

There may have been 20,000 data points in that database but there were no more than about 5,000 serial numbers. Paul gave me his serial number file. I used it to start the 2017 Serial Number Database. Paul did all of this at a time when the internet was a lot smaller. There also were many fewer AK members to contribute. So in no way am I trying to out do him or show him up in some way. He had the insight to see the value of this data and took action to make it available. My hat is off to him!:thumbsup:

- Pete
 
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