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infinity85

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Has anyone seen the video of Skylabs on Kenwood and Technics? I understand Kenwood as well as Technics made some budget gear but, so did anyone else. This is not to knock Marantz, Pioneer or Sansui. I just find it hard to believe Kenwood is singled out as cutting corners on the 70s gear. Especially the high end units like the 8050,9050 or 9600. Other than the 1050 or 1980 Pioneer wasn't all that if you ask me. Same as with Sansui. Marantz made some pretty nice units though. I know it's opinion but, all of my gear is over 40 years old and none of it had ever been touched until I restored it all. That says something to me.
 
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watched it last night. I might need to buy a Pioneer amplifier to check out any difference

Here's that video
 
Started to watch the video and he lost me after a few minutes. If he goes on to show specifics and details, great. If not, then it's just another opinion.

The receiver wars of the 60s and 70s had every manufacturer trying to outdo each other. So.....who won? The consumer did! We got the best they could make.

As for cheap or less expensive components? Really now!!! The later Kenwoods used Sanken drivers and outputs and Elna capacitors. Those were the best back in the day. Today, I use Nichicon, WIMA, Koa-spear, ON-Semiconductor, etc. I consider these the best today.

Enough said.
 
I agree. It's just like a while back Paul McGowen from PS Audio dogged Kenwood then turns around and says he has owned a number of them. So were they really all that bad? I think Kenwood didn't start falling off until the mid 80s on. Just me.
 
I’ve used Kenwood gear my whole life, From a KR9600 in the late 70’s, To my current Amp and tuner, Cassette deck
Everything performs well and sounds great
Also nice looking as well
 
There is a lot of opinion presented there, but also a lot of plain observation. I've noticed a lot of the same things mentioned in the video clip, and it's hard to argue with a lot of the points presented in the video.

I have Sansui, am heavy in Pioneer units, have quite a few Kennys, some Technics, have had Yamaha, and have been through a lot of other brands from Realistic to Marantz and McIntosh, and have owned several of those as well. When something is broken the weaknesses become very apparent, and it's pretty easy to find fault in almost any design after a few decades of use, and also identify the strengths.
 
I agree, his observations are valid and leads to opinions that we may or may not agree with.
And he says several times "there's nothing wrong with these units, they just are not built the same as the others" - and he details why, according to what he's seen.
 
The only thing with that assumption is the pictures don't always tell the full story. Sometimes less is more and what I mean by that is less parts to break in the long run. I had a really nice Denon AVR a few years back with all kinds of circuity. By looking at my 8050 it made it look like a dinosaur by a country mile. However, I had more issues with that unit then I care to get into. Not only that it wasn't half the weight nor size of my Kenwood. At the end of the day when my warranty was up on the Denon I chunked it in the trash where it belongs in the first place. Bought my KR-8050 receiver and actually used it a few months before I was able to get it completely restored to like new condition. It's older than me and sounds fantastic. It could all go up in smoke tomorrow but, given how long it ran with no work ever done on it I have reason to believe it will run another 30 years or so. That's not to say others didn't make decent to good units but, to say Kenwood can't be as good solely for the fact it's like a empty box is foolish. I don't know about him but, sound is very important to me. I would not own this thing if it only looked cool.
 
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I like that he is putting up vintage stereo content. He is entitled to his opinion, and I generally agree with his opinion on build quality and serviceability. Ask me how I know.

I have 8100, 8050, Super 11, and 9G. Like them all and sounds great. But my gear collection is big and the woodies are just a notch below the usual suspects. A notch below some of the best gear ever made = awesome gear.

This is our gain on the Kenwood gear. I personally like the looks and the discount compared to the others.
 
Not picking on any brands, but an example which might clarify the observations in the video comes to mind. I have been in quite a selection of Pioneer and Sansui units, among others. I've also been in a good representation of Kenwood units. I've often commented within discussion circles that the Kennys seem like a box of air compared to other units. They kept the costs and component counts down, and it shows. However, in order to make things work (and work pretty well) with that minimal hardware reveals that the engineers at Kenwood/Trio seemed to have spent a lot more time with design in order to make a "minimalistic" unit work as well and reliably as it does 40+ years later.

Conversely (and the followers who are realistic would probably agree), Sansui threw in a greater number of components, used some more apparently robust (or better looking) devices like transformers with shielding and higher board counts to segregate sections, and so on. They look better inside, but there are some pretty painfully obvious examples across the lineup that seem to reveal a bit less homework in the engineering department. There are no fusible ("band-aid") resistors in Kennys, yet Sansui used them like napkins to clean up the mess. There are a lot more revision versions in Sansuis. And others have similar issues, like Pioneer seeming to forget about heat dissipation in power supplies, Marantz apparently being unable to use the same components for more than a week, Yamaha forgetting to use solder, etc.

None of that means that any of them are good or bad, or better or worse. The fact that so many are still plugging along, and some in completely original trim, is an achievement. But they ARE different and display slightly different characteristics and/or philosophies in design.
 
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I agree. It's just like a while back Paul McGowen from PS Audio dogged Kenwood then turns around and says he has owned a number of them. So were they really all that bad? I think Kenwood didn't start falling off until the mid 80s on. Just me.

do you have the video link ?
 
Did you notice he talked about the late 70 Kenwood/Technics Receivers only. Did not mention the other gear these companies made. So any comparisons to other gear is discounted cause they were not called out as being built cheaper. Obviously, a targeted sales pitch for what he likes to buy, restore and sell.
 
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