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smaller-sized Duals?

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Are there any vintage Dual turtables that are a bit more on the lean side? Say, something with a smaller footprint than a 1229? Or are they all pretty much the same size? Maybe the later direct drives are a bit smaller? I'd only consider idler or direct drive.

Thanks for any insight.
 
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As I recall the footprint of the 701/704 is pretty big.
I am not much of a Dual fan (just for the record, and no pun intended)

You can probably find many specs digging through the manuals at www.vinylengine.com (free registration required, but well worth the effort)

EDIT: OK, just for shoots and Googles :-) I looked up the 701 http://downloads.nakedresource.com/ve_download_centre/index.php?dual/dual_701_en_de_fr_nl.pdf
this ROW manual gives dimensions (WHD) as 420 x147 x 365 mm, which is about 16.5" wide and 14.4" deep.

according to this
http://downloads.nakedresource.com/...ex.php?dual/dual_1010s_1015_1019_template.pdf
The 1015/1019/1010 template shows an overall dimension (of the base) shows 15.75" x 13.58"
 
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Yes, the 701 is bigger than the 1219 types. I was looking at one a few days ago, and have a 1219 in the room near me now, and the 701 was definitely bigger! No taller, perhaps, but wider/deeper.

There WERE smaller Duals earlier on --changers (with smaller platters than the usual record-sized ones) that, due to the height of the changing mechanism, had dust covers so high that (combined with the smaller footprint) the overall appearance was almost like a cube, rather than the flatter rectangle of the 1219s and most TTs. I've had two of those. I don't remember their numbers, but they were lower and only 3-digit (4XX or 6XX, I think. 601? --Sheesh, must be getting old! :D) They are fun, and fairly solidly-built (as were all early Duals) but they don't quite have the heavy platters and quality sonics of the later 12XX series. Just a little too early/primitive to be competitive. Still, fun vintage pieces that weren't too bad.
 
The 1218 is another small footprint, 10" platter offering from Dual...
 
And was my favorite 10" platter Dual model at that. I have owned over a dozen Dual 1218 tables through the years and all were cheap and needed minor servicing. Excellent performers and if maintained reliable as anything Dual ever built.
 
The deck size on the 1225 & 1226 was only 13"X11" (add 2" to the depth for the counterweight). The UA base was 15 1/2"X13 3/4". An LP would extend about 1" past the left side of the deck.

The 1225 & 1226 were sleepers. Both were small chassis, small platter (10") idler drives. The 1226 added a heavier platter, changer capabilities and a different (better?) tonearm.
 
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Dual 1209 might do it for you. Do a search on AK. I tend to use my 1229Qs and 1219s, but I enjoyed my 1209 when it was in action, after Bill (Bohney) worked his magic on it.
 
Well, obviously, any of them with a 10" platter (1009, 1019, 1228, etc.) will have the smaller footprint and the ones with a 12" platter (1219, 1229 and pretty much everything after) will have the larger footprint.

This site has specs for almost all Dual tables:

http://dual-reference.com/

Doug
 
None of the idler-drive Duals are all that big compared to some turntables. They're no bigger than the AR XA, which is tiny by comparison to most.
 
Although smaller than some idler wheel drive, the 701 and 704 has a slightly bigger footprint. I have a 704 since 1977, very good TT, I like it. Other make of TT are better and some are smaller, footprint and all. If you like the Dual family of TTss check this URL
Regards.

www.dual-reference.com/tableinx.htm
 
Why not a Dual CS 1258?

A Dual 1258 would be the newest Dual model with a small (10") platter. Made in the early to mid 1980's, this model has the ULM arm. Most came with an Ortofon cartridge built in. You can find them on e-bay from time to time; because they have a plastic base and a smaller table, they tend to go for less than other Duals.
 
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The deck size on the 1225 & 1226 was only 13"X11" (add 2" to the depth for the counterweight). The UA base was 15 1/2"X13 3/4". An LP would extend about 1" past the left side of the deck.

The 1225 & 1226 were sleepers. Both were small chassis, small platter (10") idler drives. The 1226 added a heavier platter, changer capabilities and a different (better?) tonearm.
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I've used a 1226 in my bedroom system for about 5 years, and it's a great little turntable. The noise floor is probably not the greatest, there are times when I hear a little rumble, but overall it sounds very fine, and after some initial tweaking, it has been totally reliable. There are some parts that can break, and the interconnects will either have been replaced or will need it, but I can definately recommend one.
 
Really small were the old 410, 420 and 430, which were available from around the mid 60s to late 70s. Chassis size of these was ca. 28 x 20 cm, plinth size ca. 31 x 24 cm. The earlier home plinth for the 410 and 420 looked more silly than cute though, as it was rather high (ca. 15 cm).

Greetings from Munich!

Manfred / lini
 
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