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Sony PS-X7 speed problems

Good work and excellent thread. :thumbsup:
There are a number of PS-X7 threads from days of yore, like this one from 10yr+, ago, that may add additional info on repairs, adjustments, etc.
https://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/sony-ps-x7-open-heart-surgery-successful.285717/
Thanks for adding that. Nice to have this thread with most of the issues of these tables all in one place for folks to drop in, fix their new table and find out some weak points and address them to keep these tables running well into the future with a working strobe.
 
I have 2 PSX2's with the cracked size selector cam. Would a hot staple inserted into the cam over the crack work?

I don't think it would hold the cam sufficiently well. The method I employed (pics back in the thread) basically made the cam extremely strong and able to take the grub screw being tightened down. There is quite a bit of force exterted by the knob and detent mechanism when operated.

Using a "hot staple" will also be a one time only attempt and if it fails, you may not be able to employ a better method.
 
Loving this thread, thanks @restorer-john @Blue Shadow et al for sharing all the details.
I have two questions. I see that my clear record size cam is cracked, when you say that you tapped these screws in, i'm assuming you drilled and tapped a thread into the plastic for the new screws? @restorer-john do you have a final picture of the repaired part?
For those who have recapped, I am planning this project for my PS-X7. I have the service manual, and was planning to go through the capacitor list on pages 31-32 and purchase audio grade electrolytic capacitors (Nichicon) from mouser using the uF and voltage listed. Can I assume these are all radial leaded capacitors, or are some of them twist on? I was hoping to order the parts before I remove the boards, but i'm thinking I need to inspect and size each one first? or perhaps someone has a parts list handy?
 
Update on my Ps2's.
I went to a local plastics manufacturer and showed him the cam. He lent me some Acrylic glue they use and I coated them heavily which seems to have done the job.
They don't look neat, but hopefully I never see them again.
 
Update on my Ps2's.
I went to a local plastics manufacturer and showed him the cam. He lent me some Acrylic glue they use and I coated them heavily which seems to have done the job.
They don't look neat, but hopefully I never see them again.
Could you post a pic or two?
 
There is a seller on the bay, patsaudioparts that has fabricated the record size selector lever. I dont know the quality of the part or the seller. Was going to get one for mine but using glue seemed to work so far.
 
After spruiking the glue......it cracked on the other side now........I have ordered one of the fabricated parts from Pats :-(
 
Alright, so i dove in and recapped my Sony Ps-X7 that has long had a speed wobble, and for the last couple years has not been auto returning. I've got it back together, and have gone thru the electrical calibration per the service manual, have set the speed and the arm return points and voltages, the brake/shutter position seems to be accurate. I have not yet set the motor amp offset or hall device gain, as i need to find a shop with an oscilloscope. But the automatic functions for the arm/turntable are not functioning properly at all.
I'm guessing a gear or lever is in the wrong position, nothing happens with the arm when you press start, though the platter starts spinning. Move the arm once across the table and nothing happens, move it a second time and about 1/3 across the table it goes into auto return mode and stops the platter from moving. If I trigger the main gear it sometimes gets jammed with the arm out over the turntable, it looks like the auto-return gets jammed behind the lead in cam. This is difficult to describe in writing, but wondering if there's some video I could shoot to share and someone is willing to help diagnose.


Next, let's get the basics sorted out. I put this doc together from info on AK and especially Dave Shoaf (dshoaf) who has passed. It is a word doc on my machine and I'm not going to edit it to put it here:

Sony PS-X7 Dos and Don’ts
....
I might read this in a day or two and see if there is more info that needs to be added or if some needs to be removed.
 
I needed to adjust VR201. Before doing so, I made sure that I had 14 VDC at VR101 (see adjustment section in service manual).

To everyone with PS-X6 or PS-X7 with speed issues, try to readjust VR 201. It could either be off (strobe moving either sides) or speed oscillating. It could also be affecting speed 45 alone or 33&45.. I think you have some range of adjustment on pot where both speeds strobe is stable. Very easy to fix. Maybe a bit of contact cleaner for potentiometer would help!

I didn't even have to disconnect white wire like thr procedure said in service manual. I don't know why I would need to disconnect the white wire if just turning the Vr201 seemed to solve the issue.. (Someone knows?)

Believe the reason you disconnect the white wire is to take the hall device/quartz lock out of the equation. You're basically setting the speed, then when you reconnect the white wire you're turning on the quartz lock. Could be wrong, but I think that's the deal.

I have a speed quirk I'm not sure how to fix. With the white wire connected/quartz lock on, the speed is stable EXCEPT for a repetitive jerk. It's not fast or slow, just jittering. Already done the adjustment of RV201 and this is the best I can get. Also adjusted the speed sensor to get the >30mV, so I don't think that is the problem. Power Board is putting out 14Vdc and has been recapped, so I don't think the problem is on that board.

Anyone seen these jitters before?

I guess the next step is to try the Hall Device Gain Adjustment for 33.3. on pg. 17 in the SM.
 
Believe the reason you disconnect the white wire is to take the hall device/quartz lock out of the equation. You're basically setting the speed, then when you reconnect the white wire you're turning on the quartz lock. Could be wrong, but I think that's the deal.

You're almost 100% correct. When you disconnect the white wire, you're decoupling the motor from the "DC Amp". Now you need to inject some voltage (in the place of the DC amp), and the motor should spin at a constant and smooth speed.

I have a speed quirk I'm not sure how to fix. With the white wire connected/quartz lock on, the speed is stable EXCEPT for a repetitive jerk. It's not fast or slow, just jittering. Already done the adjustment of RV201 and this is the best I can get. Also adjusted the speed sensor to get the >30mV, so I don't think that is the problem. Power Board is putting out 14Vdc and has been recapped, so I don't think the problem is on that board.

Anyone seen these jitters before?

See my post:
https://audiokarma.org/forums/index...rive-bsl-motor-works-troubleshooting.1021427/

The jitter is most likely that one of the sets of coils is not having the same amplitude as the others. First you need to diagnose the cause before moving any pot or replacing any component.
 
Muchas gracias Senor! I will check out your thread. This table seems tantalizingly close.

Only other thing is, occasionally, it doesn't want to start when you touch the control, and actually moves slightly counter-clockwise. If you give it a push clockwise it starts as it should, OR if you turn the platter a quarter turn when a side ends, you don't have the startup problem on the next start. It's as if it isn't completing it's stop cycle and then isn't ready to start. I wonder if the brake is stopping it just a little too short, before it completes the auto stop cycle.
 
Muchas gracias Senor! I will check out your thread. This table seems tantalizingly close.

Only other thing is, occasionally, it doesn't want to start when you touch the control, and actually moves slightly counter-clockwise. If you give it a push clockwise it starts as it should, OR if you turn the platter a quarter turn when a side ends, you don't have the startup problem on the next start. It's as if it isn't completing it's stop cycle and then isn't ready to start. I wonder if the brake is stopping it just a little too short, before it completes the auto stop cycle.

Again another sign that one of the two sets of coils is receiving no power or little power relatively to the other.
 
@flavio81 you’re right, the photos on the linked thread threw me off, as well as the fact that L1-4 are in the motor where I haven’t explored.

Do I need to open the motor to measure voltage?
 
@flavio81 you’re right, the photos on the linked thread threw me off, as well as the fact that L1-4 are in the motor where I haven’t explored.

Do I need to open the motor to measure voltage?

Please read my thread, because you'll almost certainly need an oscilloscope if you want to diagnose the TT right. The plus is that this will save you lots of time by identifying what's wrong.

Now, regarding "opening the motor", really opening these motors is totally simple... You just remove whichever cover/etc is on top of the motor rotor and then pull the spindle (and thus the rotor) up, revealing the stator (coils and two hall sensors).

But you don't need to open the motor, you can just follow the schematic and find out which colored wire goes where.
 
@flavio81 sent you a DM.

Also, have a question about the motor offset opamp adjustment which may be a dumb one.
Understand I'm putting in 1.5Vdc and have the oscope hooked up. Is the turntable also powered on, or is the 1.5Vdc doing all the work?
 
Next, let's get the basics sorted out. I put this doc together from info on AK and especially Dave Shoaf (dshoaf) who has passed. It is a word doc on my machine and I'm not going to edit it to put it here:

Sony PS-X7 Dos and Don’ts

Arm mass is 14 grams based on @ETI_5000's quote of a british magazine test.

* Shipping: Make sure that the 4 feet are screwed in completely before the unit is shipped. The threaded shafts are easily broken if they are not threaded in and the packaging is not well done. Also, have the seller ship the platter removed from the spindle. I guarantee that it will migrate and damage something in shipment. I believe there's an FAQ for TT shipping. Have the seller read-and-heed. Install the shipping screws under the platter. They hold the transformer in place. The screws have a parking place under the platter to keep them until the table is moved again.

* Signal Cables: Be prepared to replace the cables as they are quite old now and weren't all that great to begin with. You don't have to go with high-cost wires but the connectors themselves aren't up to today’s quality, IMHO. This is pretty easy to do since the wires are soldered onto a small circuit board under the TT once you remove the lower cover - after having removed the feet. Remove two feet and lower cover. Then the cover for the tonearm wires. Replace tonearm wires. Red-Right Hot, Green-Right Ground, White-Left Hot, Blue-Left Ground.

* Wire-wrapped connections: There are *lots* of wire-wrapped connections on the circuit boards. Like many other 70s vintage gear, this was a popular technique for manufacturing in those days but, after the years, they may cause intermittent problems due to corrosion/oxidation of the metals. I generally go in and solder each one to be sure for this reason. This has not been done.

* Tonearm: A couple of don'ts - 1) do not attempt to disassemble the tone arm. I've not been successful getting back right. You can, however, remove the entire tonearm assembly en-masse but don't try to take apart the gimble, for instance. 2) you can potentially get a bit more performance out of the arm by working with a tracking LP or alignment record and adjusting the cartridge head. There are a couple of small screws that hold the cartridge head into the arm. They're underneath the arm tube. I discovered this when I worked as a bench tech in the 70s when I got a Shure cartridge analyzer. Turns out that most TT vendors didn't really pay attention to adjusting the plug-in heads. This would be an azimuth adjustment, the verticality of the stylus in the groove.

* Plato: No limpie el borde inferior del plato. Este lleva una banda magnética que se utiliza para determinar la velocidad del plato y acciona el control de velocidad bloqueado por "cuarzo" (término de marketing para referirse a un cristal). Puede limpiarlo, pero no utilice mucho más que un paño de algodón limpio. Además, asegúrese de que el cabezal de captación, ubicado en un pequeño hueco en el pedestal, no esté lleno de polvo, lo que impediría su capacidad de captar los pulsos magnéticos. Hay un ajuste para ello, pero se necesita un osciloscopio o un medidor para hacerlo.

* Velocidad: Hay ajustes de velocidad debajo de la placa de control de velocidad. Sin embargo, necesitas el manual de servicio para realizar la configuración. Si funciona, déjalo así. Hay al menos dos tipos de problemas de velocidad que hacen que la mesa suene mal. Un error constante a corto plazo en la velocidad unas cuantas veces por revolución. Esto se solucionó limpiando el potenciómetro de velocidad en la placa debajo de la mesa. El otro, un tartamudeo inconsistente en la velocidad. Esto podría haberse solucionado con limpieza, pero pareció resolverse volviendo a tapar la unidad. Finalmente, David menciona la necesidad de voltajes precisos para estos circuitos.


* Luz estroboscópica: ya no hay una bombilla de repuesto disponible, esta es de 150 V y 10 mA, es de alta potencia, la serie NE es de aproximadamente 1 mA. Tal vez una bombilla NE funcione con una resistencia lo suficientemente alta para que dure en el circuito o haya una solución alternativa con LED, pero esto no encenderá la luz estroboscópica tan bien como la bombilla original. Si la luz estroboscópica parpadea, se puede solucionar reemplazando el capacitor de 2,2 µF y 250 V en ese circuito.

* Pies: Cuidado con los pies: los ejes de plástico se agrietarán, ya que son huecos. Son inservibles a menos que tengas una unidad de repuestos o pagues en la bahía. Esto es lo que debes hacer para ayudarlos:
- Consigue un clavo pequeño del tamaño del agujero del eje hueco. Asegúrate de que sea un
uno largo para llegar hasta el pie y llenar todo el agujero.
- Utilice pegamento epoxi para que se quede fijo. Esta modificación ya se ha realizado.
- Nunca apriete demasiado los pies si los atornilla.

* El mecanismo de retorno es una luz y un sensor fotoeléctrico que se interrumpe cuando es necesario devolver el brazo a su posición de reposo. Asegúrese de que el obturador metálico esté limpio.

* Interruptores táctiles: se pueden quitar y pulir para que respondan mejor al tacto, de modo que no sea necesario mojarse los dedos primero.

* Plástico: Gran parte de la parte inferior de la mesa es de plástico, desde el brazo de accionamiento del selector de tamaño de disco en el interruptor hasta el anillo de la palanca de ubicación automática del brazo fonocaptor. Estos se mantienen en su lugar con tornillos de fijación. Si el plástico se agrieta, se pueden utilizar tornillos prisioneros adicionales para mantener unido el selector de tamaño y se puede utilizar una brida de alambre envuelta alrededor de la palanca debajo de los tornillos de fijación y pegada en su lugar para devolverle la vida a estas características. Si la pieza del selector de tamaño no está rota, una capa de pegamento de refuerzo y algo para agregar estructura pueden evitar que se rompa.


Pérdida de la reparación automática de funciones:

Pero básicamente, siempre que tengas las piezas originales, la reparación es fácil. La parte difícil es encontrar un tornillo del tamaño correcto. Yo robé uno de un CD-ROM viejo de mi computadora que se estropeó. Según mi memoria, el tornillo mide aproximadamente 1/4" de largo. Simplemente taladra un pequeño orificio guía donde se rompió el eje pequeño, pasa el tornillo por el orificio y vuelve a colocar el resorte, la arandela y el tope de goma sobre el tornillo.

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Hay una parte que debe lubricarse o se romperá. Se llama leva de retorno, el número es
4-847-024-00 en el manual del ps-x6-x7. Logré reparar el mío perforando el lugar donde se rompió la pequeña protuberancia y reemplazándola con un tornillo.


Podría leer esto en uno o dos días y ver si hay más información que necesita agregarse o si es necesario eliminar algo.
Gracias por las imágenes, he quitado pieza de retorno (4-874-024-00) taladrado con una broca y roscado tornillo también cortó la cabeza tornillo con disco Dremel y ha quedado muy bien, el tope de goma encaja en el tornillo, añadiéndole esto para no utilizar tornillos ni más delgados ni más gruesos.
Gracias
 
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