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Speaker help, please..?

MisterDK

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Hey folks. I’m trying to decide on good woofers and probably horn tweeters for a ‘60s Barzilay cabinet I picked up. Speaker box volume is 4.25 cubic feet and I think it once contained some Altec 15” speakers. I’m interested in some woofers, either 12” or 15”, depending on which would sound best - for use with a low watt amp.
I’ve attached pics of the unit I’m working with.

Thanks in advance for your suggestions. :)

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Nice looking cabinet.

Is the back of the cabinet open, or with some time of masonite with holes in it?
 
Nice looking cabinet.

Is the back of the cabinet open, or with some time of masonite with holes in it?

Thanks. Masonite with no (or few) holes on the right center. It has some shelf rails for a turntable (?) and what I presume is space for record storage under that. Left center is open in back. Looks like amps went in there.
Speaker boxes have back panels.

I have the perfect pair of Altec’s
Nice Big Alnico 12” biflex full Rangers
Add the Tweeters of choice

I’ll send a PM..
 
Nice cabinets! Too bad the center's where the woofer/Full Range speaker sits has that wood piece right in the middle.
Obviously not built with the thought that it could effect the Dispersion of the mids.
 
The Bozak 12 inch with the coaxial tweets might be nice, though the port would need to be blocked, and the cabinets might not really be big enough.
 
It's a range, not a specific number (unlike volumes for speakers designed using Theile Small parameters), but I would guess five or six cubic feet would be better than 4.25. But Bozak themselves used the driver in standard bookshelf sized speakers, and they were compromised, but acceptable, so it might work well. The drivers have the merit of being relatively common and affordable, and not too hard to sell down the road if a pair of more ideal drivers drops into your lap.
 
Bozak is infinite baffle, which requires a sealed cabinet which is lined with cotton batting and has a hanging curtain made from cotton batting. It isn't just a matter of dropping woofers into a box.

Some calculations and analysis I previously posted about the relative (more or less) volumes of the Bozak cabinets for three-way speakers, slightly revised for clarity. I omitted the tiny bookshelf units as those are slightly smaller than the B-313.

Cabinet Volume Comparison and Analysis for Bozak Line


Consider the dimensions (yes, I laboriously keypunched these and did the calculations, so errors may exist):
B-313 (Concerto 3)

Claimed Response: 40 Hz to 20,000 Hz
Dimensions ≈ 24 in W × 12 in D × 17 in H
Cabinet Volume ≈ 2.8 cu ft
Woofer Volume ≈ 2.8 cu ft per woofer

B-402 (Rhapsody)
Claimed Response: 40 Hz to 20,000 Hz
Dimensions ≈ 18 in W × 13 in D × 25 in H
Cabinet Volume ≈ 3.4 cu ft
Woofer Volume ≈ 3.4 cu ft per woofer

B-302 (Concerto V, Urban Cabinet)
Claimed Response: 40 Hz to 20,000 Hz
Dimensions ≈ 24 in W × 20 in D × 28 in H
Cabinet Volume ≈ 7.8 cu ft
Woofer Volume ≈ 7.8 cu ft per woofer

B-305 (Concerto Grosso, Century Cabinet, Dual Woofer)
Claimed Response: 35 Hz to 20,000 Hz
Dimensions ≈ 36 in W × 20 in D × 28 in H
Cabinet Volume ≈ 11.7 cu ft
Woofer Volume ≈ 5.9 cu ft per woofer
NB: Essentially a horizontal pair of B-302 (dual B-199, four B-200 tweeters) in a shared cabinet with a single B-209 midrange

B-4000A (Symphony, Modern Cabinet, Dual Woofer)
Claimed Response: 35 Hz to 20,000 Hz
Dimensions ≈ 27 in W × 16 in D × 45 in H
Cabinet Volume ≈ 11.25 cu ft
Woofer Volume ≈ 5.6 cu ft per woofer
NB: Essentially a vertical pair of B-302 in a shared cabinet with a single midrange, or a vertical B-305


B-310B (Concert Grand, Contemporary Cabinet, Quad Woofer)
Claimed Response: 28 Hz to 20,000 Hz
Dimensions ≈ 36 in W × 19 in D × 52 in H
Cabinet Volume ≈ 20.6 cu ft
Woofer Volume ≈ 5.1 cu ft per woofer
NB: Essentially a quad pair of B-302, or a double-pair of vertical B-305 with a dual midrange

NB:

(1) All systems are three-ways unless otherwise noted.
(2) The cabinets slightly vary with style, an inch here or there, so anything after the decimal point is not significant.
(3) Volume calculations use Bozak's published exterior dimensions, rounded down to somewhat account for cabinet thickness. Loss of interior volume to bracing, curtain, crossover, or actual drivers was not considered. (Left as an exercise for the reader)

Conclusion

Given Bozak's claims about the high-end performance of the B-200Y running to infinity and beyond, I suggest disbelieving the low-end performance claims without qualification for dB output at that frequency, but the relative changes may be indicative of inter-model performance.

Yet we may, nonetheless, observe that the better rated systems B-302 Concerto V and B-301B Concert Grand have larger volumes, respectively 7.8 cu ft and 5.1 cu ft.

The claim is made that the multi-woofer systems synergistically work so the increment space per woofer need not increase, but this is conjecture. What I can say is that if the Concert Grand followed the same rule of 7.8 cu ft per woofer, and the height and depth remained constant, it would be 55 inches wide, an increase of 1.5 times the original.
 
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