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Speakers on Casters?

dr*audio

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I want to put my new to me ADS L-730s in the living room. My wife agreed on condition I put casters on the bottom of the speaker stands so they can be easily moved to clean around. It will be easy enough to do that, but I'm wondering has anyone else done that, and do they vibrate, or keep the speakers from being properly anchored and hurt the sound?
 
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IMO that depends basically on the speakers own weight.

My DIY Onken boxes, which are lined with lead sheets, and weigh in at about 90 kgs. each, excluding mid horns / tweeters, sound just about he same on castors as they do on spikes., so I decided on castors for easy of moving.

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My kef Carina II´s, OTOH, have a much firmer bass if placed on spiked stands. This pic is before I added spikes to my home made square steel tube stands. You can see the castors on the underside of the Onkens, though.

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I like the stand under the KEF above. Are the ADS stands removable? Maybe ask wife if alternative stands like those may give enough space for vacuuming?

I'm not sure I like the idea of casters just because they would have to screw in and to me amount to "damaging" the stands. But that's just me.
 
Wal Mart have these trolley things for gardening.They look just like the things mecahanic use to work under cars.They are in the garden implements.When I was there I picked up a ho:D

They would work as when your spouse wants to dust she can lift the speaks onto these things and dust away.

Alan
 
Wal Mart have these trolley things for gardening.They look just like the things mecahanic use to work under cars.They are in the garden implements.When I was there I picked up a ho:D

They would work as when your spouse wants to dust she can lift the speaks onto these things and dust away.

Alan

Along this line of thinking; I would NOT do anything that would alter (devalue!) the speaker cabinet in any way! I would buy or make a custom "caddy" of some sort that the speaker cabinets would sit in all the time. They need to be off the floor a bit anyway. 730s are not that big/heavy. (I have 710s and 880s.) OR tell the wife, "(some things are best left alone...keep this to yourself) I will clean around the speakers whenever you want me to, dear!!"
 
An alternative you might consider is furniture glides - they work well on hardwood, and the big ones work well on carpet if it the pile is not too thick. I'd rather use these than casters.
 
I,ve got my NS-1000's on stands/with casters they work real slick for speaker mobility..I have no idea who made these stands, I bought them off of Ebay for 5 or 10 dollars.
 

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You have to wonder if there would be a problem with the speakers moving around if they were on hard floors. I don't see a problem on carpeting. You might want to see if they have casters available with locks.
 
I made the stands. They are made of 1 1/2" x 9" pine boards. The casters would be mounted in the bottom of the stands, not the speakers. The speakers are about the size of the NS1000's maybe a bit smaller. They will be on a hardwood floor. The casters I have in mind are like the ones on office chairs. I would drill holes in the bottom of the stands and the caster shaft would insert into each hole.
 
I made the stands. They are made of 1 1/2" x 9" pine boards. The casters would be mounted in the bottom of the stands, not the speakers. The speakers are about the size of the NS1000's maybe a bit smaller. They will be on a hardwood floor. The casters I have in mind are like the ones on office chairs. I would drill holes in the bottom of the stands and the caster shaft would insert into each hole.
Grainger or McMaster-Carr or maybe even your local Homedepot or Lowes may have the casters your refering to.
 
If they're homemade stands then have at it. I would have been more concerned if they were factory original stands.

Regarding casters, make sure they roll easy on carpet or hardwood and the base is wide enough so it won't tip easily when moving. Some of the smaller casters tend to catch and not roll easily with weight. Wheel locking casters could be considered if you are still worried about any kind of movement from vibrations.
 
My KEF 105s came with castors on them from the factory -- I can't imagine that it affects the bass in a negative way.
 
An alternative you might consider is furniture glides - they work well on hardwood, and the big ones work well on carpet if it the pile is not too thick. I'd rather use these than casters.

I had a pair of Sansui SP-3500's on stands with 4" diameter guiders on the bottom on carpet they did wiggle around a little.

I might have missed it but what is your floor? If it's hardwood or some other hard surface. Using small diameters HARD wheeled castor's would actually present a rather small contact surface and while not as good as Spikes still have a good coupling effect to the floor. For an example draw a 1" diameter circle sitting on top of a straight line on a piece of paper you will see how small the contact area is.

Look for a castor with a 1-1.25" diameter steel wheel put them on the bottom of a sheet of nicely trimmed 3/4" plywood. Then put your speakers on the plywood the same way you would put them directly on the floor if you would use spikes then use spikes. If you would use Blu Tac use that. or what ever.
 
I've tried various casters, spiked platorms, etc... and found no audible difference between locking casters and spikes. The casters act almost like spikes, putting the weight on a small contact area. I did make sure when buying the casters, though, that they locked tightly; that is, they didn't "wobble" after locking. This way they will "anchor" better, allowing little or no vibration to be used to move the speakers. It also keeps the speakers from possibly drifting across the floor and out of their ideal position over time, due to vibration.

Casters/wheels are made of different materials, such as metal, nylon or rubber. Theoretically, this can make a difference, as each of these each have different vibration-transmission characteristics. Metal wheels will anchor the speakers better to the floor (unless they slide easily against it). Rubber wheels will absorb some resonances through "jiggling" themselves, but theoretically that can lead to slight smearing of the sound. Nylon is in between metal and rubber in its hardness/resilience, so it has a bit of both characteristics. You may wish to try experimenting to see which type works best for you.

Honestly, I found a lot less sonic difference when I did my experimentation than I expected. I'm sure these things affect turntable performance, but perhaps the scale of vibration is different enough with large, heavy speakers that it swamps the minor difference wheel material makes.

The change in height of the speakers seemed to make a bigger difference than the type of wheels. Height above the floor can have a big impact on bass, especially. As long as the speakers were at the same height and the wheels locked, there wasn't much difference between wheel materials, but theoretically there should be, so it doesn't hurt to experiment. YMMV.

Whatever kind you use, screw the casters securely into a nice base platform, then put the speakers on that. You can experiment with gaskets and other absorptive dampeners between the caster base plates and your platform, and also to couple the speakers to the platform. Blu-tac is often recommended for the latter purpose, and not without reason, but (again depending on your circumstances) spikes may work better.

For me, with Infinity RS 2 speakers on a linoleum-over-concrete slab floor, the easiest/best solution was to use locking casters, a heavy platform (plywood glued under marble slab), and blu-tack between platform and speakers. I further anchor the speakers with a paving block of concrete placed on top of the box, both to add mass and further "anchor" the speakers. In my case, the block is wrapped nicely in a towel covered with brocade cloth, both for appearance and to protect the speakers from scratches --and also because there are rear-facing drivers in this model, and I want to limit reflections off of the (now closer, thanks to the paving block) box top below them.

If your floor is smooth and hard like mine, you may also want to experiment with putting a thick towel or throw rug down in front of the speakers, to absorb some bass reflections. In my situation it helped when the speakers were on the floor, but is less significant with them raised on the platform/wheels.

I use a builder's laser-line leveler to position the speakers quickly and easily in the exact same spot each time. Barring that, you can simply put some kind of mark on the floor. Tape works well if you don't have carpet, and is easily removable.

There are always trade-offs and compromises with these kind of things, and sometimes surprises in what works best, as external things like room resonances and reflections may come into play with speakers, so EXPERIMENT to find what works best in your case. Ultimately what matters most is that you enjoy the sound you are getting, and only your own ears can tell you that. Have fun and good luck!
 
I am thinking the wheels will have to be nylon, so as not to scratch the hardwood floor. Good ideas, guys, thanks!
 
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