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Step by Step Maggie Update

jaymanaa

RIP 1961-2018
With all the interest that Maggie console pulls generate, I thought it might be cool to do a step by step rebuild thread. The subjects will be a well preserved (by dust) pair of 169BBs. The first thing I always do is hook them up to a source and cheap speaker to see if they actually work. If they do I proceed, but if they don't I do some troubleshooting to make sure the iron is good. The only thing I salvage from these is the iron and the chassis, period. After confirming that the iron is good, I strip the chassis of EVERYTHING. I've discovered that parts like sockets and such are just way too affordable to have headaches with 60 year old stuff, not to mention that I have never seen a truly "flowed" solder joint on the factory terminal strips (be careful when soldering new ones to the chassis as too much heat can damage the galvanizing). I find that a big iron like the Weller SP80L makes short work out of the tear down, and chassis re-soldering. Once it's all stripped out, I carefully check the TX leads for insulation cracks and apply heat shrink as needed. The leads get awfully brittle over time and it would be a shame to toast one of these great TXs over something like cracked insulation. Then the TXs can be painted and set aside to dry. There are tons of cool paint options such as Hammertones, Crinkles, Sand Textures and so on, that make the old iron look pretty spiffy. While they're drying I give the chassis a good scrubbing with an SOS pad in the kitchen sink with hot water (best done while the wife's at work).:D If you look on the underside of the chassis you will see some little tabs that were made by "punching" holes in the chassis. These were ground spots, but I use a copper buss, so these can be bent back up to fill the holes they created in the chassis top (a couple coats of primer makes them disappear). Next I solder in new tag strips and a stiff 20guage bare wire buss lengthwise through the tag ground lugs. This makes a nice ground at the front of the amp for low level stuff, and keeps the large currents back down toward the TX and filter cap. The top of the chassis can be finished anyway you like, from a bare metal, to paint, to powder coat, or I guess it could even be chromed.:scratch2: If you like the look of the polished up bare metal, I would suggest a coat or two of clear or else it will tarnish in no time (and is impossible to clean with stuff mounted). More as the project progresses.:music:
 
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One other thing I just remembered. When you get the power TXs out of the chassis, go ahead and snug up the bolts that hold them together. They seem to loosen over the years which can give you a little TX buzz/rattle. Once you get the TX back in, it's almost impossible to tighten them up.
 
Following along with great interest here in Buzzardtown Jay... Thanks for the step by step!
 
Now that the chassis are cleaned up and I have a parts list together for AES, I decided to do some whittlin. I originally discussed Oak with the guy that owns these, but while I was going through the wood pile, I found this old Maple table top. As the pics show, I ripped a couple strips off of it, routered an edge on top, sanded off the old varnish, and put a first coat of Minwax on. I'm not sure if I like it yet or not.:scratch2: A few more coats may help it. I just do the two sides and the front on these which leaves the back end open for jacks and such. I also found a thin strip of Mahogony that I will use for an inlay type gusset on each corner. It's easy to do and really snazzes things up. I tried to show how I set the up the fence on my table saw. Basically I just jack the blade all the way up and use a tape, then jack the blade back down so it just cuts through. This sort of minimizes error and keeps the cut off fingers to a minimum. More later.

I'll be sure to get a closeup of the buss when I get it in.:yes:
 
I'm still here and should have some more to report this weekend. I'm still not sure about the Maple, and may end up using Oak.
 
A little off the topic... Thats a cool looking Geetar amp in the first photo. What tubes are in it? I got a National that looks kinda like it.
 
It's an Ampeg, but I'm not sure if it's all original. It has a pair of 7591s for the output.

I had a friend (in one of those long ago bands I played bass in) that had an identical looking Ampeg head. He let me play my guitar (the SG) through it, and needless to say; it's been on my list ever since. It's one of my lust amps, long with a Fender Twin, a Marshall Plexi... I'm not sure I don't like it better than a Plexi.

They are a gut wrenching amp, tons of tone and can get super loud. Cool. cool amp!
 
Crap, I had no idea it might be a desirable amp. I did find it odd however that a guitar amp would use 7591s, which RCA described as an output tube for high quality Hi-Fi. It also has what looks to be a spring reverb tank in it. Well, if I get it up and running cuz, you got dibs.:thmbsp:
 
Continuing WAAY off topic... Sorry Jay

Yep they're cool little amps...

They make these "Yellow Jacket" conversion tube-bases that allow you to convert Ampegs to use EL84's in place of the 7591's.

The company spiel is:

"Yellow Jacket© converters not only rearrange the pin locations of the tubes, but also provide the necessary current limiting on the screens and cathode as well as blocking the amplifier's grid-bias voltage, configuring the EL84 in a Class-A, self-adjusting cathode-bias circuit.

In old Ampeg Reverb Rockets and the like, you experience a warmth and sweetness that you could never get with the now unavailable 7591 tubes. The overall output power remains the same, but the sound becomes fuller and the extinct 7591s are replaced with common and inexpensive EL84 tubes."

I've never heard them, but a lot of guitar guys swear by them as a way to get past the shortage of 7591s.
 
I've seen those yellow jacket things somewhere. I might be inclined to argue the claim that the power output is the same with EL84s and 7591s though.:scratch2: I'll let you know if she works when I get a chance to plug her in.:smoke: Oh, and BTW, 7591s ARE still being made.
 
I've seen those yellow jacket things somewhere. I might be inclined to argue the claim that the power output is the same with EL84s and 7591s though.:scratch2: I'll let you know if she works when I get a chance to plug her in.:smoke: Oh, and BTW, 7591s ARE still being made.

I had a set.

They are mainly used in gitfiddle amps.:smoke:
 
I've seen those yellow jacket things somewhere.
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I might be inclined to argue the claim that the power output is the same with EL84s and 7591s though.:scratch2:
I'll let you know if she works when I get a chance to plug her in.:smoke: Oh, and BTW, 7591s ARE still being made.

I think your right on that one. One reason people like these is because EL84s break up faster at a lower volume.
Sorry to derail your thread dude.
O.K. I will shut my mouth and go play in the street now.:smoke::D
 

Scroll down to T-457591.You are right Jay, I didnt think the el 84 would give the same juice. they note on the listing in fact, "slight power reduction from 7591"

Say Jay, did you ever get that O'scope figured out? I'd like to have my 6550-KT88 amp gone through a little.....I built it in the late 90's and some caps
might be leaking a ittle by now, plus, I need to have the balance reset on the 12au7 phase splitters. I wanted you to hear it anyway as well as the Audio by Van Alstein Pas upgraded dyna pre amp.

I also have a Counterpoint SA 1000 thats acting up, I suspect the timer/relay circuit. If you're game, we could get some listening done as well as put a little change in your pocket!

Please advise!:thmbsp:

Russellc
 
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