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STK Not Good?

There at least 3 vendors on e-pay that advertise original Sanyo part, have 100% rating and offer free returns withing 30 days. Can they all be fakes? I'm going to take a chance and try one. Is there a reason the R-500 was so notorious for blowing these things. Are they running above rated specs? Are there parts around the SDK I should look for that might need to be replaced? I checked the emitter resistors and they were all good.
Anything with an stk that runs hot will be notorious for stk failures.

Never had a r500, but Sansui z7000, z9000 series receivers use an stk voltage amplifier and out of the 10 receivers I bought a couple years ago, all 10 were bad. Those things run hot enough to fry an omelette. I found a source for replacements after a long search.

After replacing, I added lots of heat sink to them.
 
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Interesting and informative thread. I'm not a receiver guy, so I had not heard all these war stories previously. Even the STK first came out, I can see that it was a major cost reduction to building these products. The setup and tooling to make big ICs like that is only viable for big semiconductor OEMs. Easy to see that once a part is outdated they just stop making them. What a PITA for technicians.
 
You should see the inside of a projection television. They are used in the power amp and alignment for those first few years.
 
Well, I went ahead and ordered one of those so-called original Sanyo STK replacements from e-pay. Vendor says he has a 60 day money back guarantee of not satisfied, and a 100% rating. We'll see.... I de-soldered the old component and it looked almost identical until it was removed. The one thing that stood out like a sore thumb was the thickness of the back plate that is used to transfer the heat. The metal on the new one was very thin and you could see not very thick. The overall weight of the original component was almost twice that of the new one. Date codes on the new component had it as manufactured in 2000 which would have been a year before they stopped producing these. I suppose it could be real, but I'm certainly going to be very cautious when powering this up. I'll report back as soon as I have a load resistor to do some testing with. No way am I going to risk sacrificing a speaker to est this thing.
 
Update. I soldered in place and used my Variac and dim bulb tester to power it up. The protection relay clicked on so I figured it was safe to test with headphones. It does work and sounds clean on phones. I left it on for a long time and the heat sink didn't even get warm. The original ran warm even when no audio was going through it. Who knows, maybe this was made in China and they stuck a class D amp inside the block :) I won't know if it is any good until I get some load resistors and actually do some RMS testing.
 
Consolidated electronics online carries high quality stk modules. Original? Of course not, but they work well. The hate of stk modules is sickening. Just keep them cool enough, and don't short a speaker wire, and you will be fine.
 
I always found the STK amps, at least the lower end - mid range ones, have a particular sound to them that i am not big on. Sort of a weird cardboard in the bass sound. I always have been able to figure out which amps I drug home were stks by listening. ( lower end sansui, hi end early 80s sony, 70s pioneer) They arent the worst sound ever either, just kind of boxy. Its more noticeable if you compare them directly by a-b comparing with a switch. at least every one i have tried has had that sound. (probably about 15) and I dont think its just the rest of the amp, as i had units from the same line, and only the stk's had that particular sound signature.

I also agree that it is a bit of a shortcut from an engineering perspective.

There is also stk amps i would love to have, and have a couple i have kept.

Not sure on the higher end ones, like the big block sanken amps (not sure if these count as stk) I am considering getting one of the higher end ones, which is what brought me to this thread.
 
The large Sanken I have seen, admittedly not an exhaustive sampling, all had three leads. This leads me to think they are 'normal' transistors. If anyone knows different please advise.
 
Consolidated electronics online carries high quality stk modules. Original? Of course not, but they work well. The hate of stk modules is sickening. Just keep them cool enough, and don't short a speaker wire, and you will be fine.
STK was simply put, cost cut. Made design and engineering easy. Cheap to build. Not a move of quality. Not saying they sound bad. But often ran at the ragged edge. Reliability OK if treated delicately and not Ab-Used. And most units which used these, were Ab-Used, where the STK became a fuse.
 
The large Sanken I have seen, admittedly not an exhaustive sampling, all had three leads. This leads me to think they are 'normal' transistors. If anyone knows different please advise.
3 leads would be a transistor or a darlington. The STK units all have a bunch of pins, exact number depends on the chip but 8+ is typical. Those are a very different animal.
 
I have a Yamaha R500. I gave it to someone and the STK quickly burned out so I took it back. Looked on e-pay and found a seller that had them for about $20 with 100% satisfaction rating. Pulled out my vacuum desoldering tools and had it up and running in about 20 minutes. A bitch to get all those pins lined up. Interestingly, it ran much cooler at idle after new chip was installed. Originals must have been on their way out. This receiver has been in constant use now with no issues and sounds great.
 
The large Sanken I have seen, admittedly not an exhaustive sampling, all had three leads. This leads me to think they are 'normal' transistors. If anyone knows different please advise.
Sanken does not mean STK. STK modules were made by a variety of different manufactureres, such as Sanyo for example.

If you see a brick shaped Sanken component with 3 leads it is likely a transistor with emitter, collector and base. Nothing to do with what we are talking about here.
 
The hate of stk modules is sickening.
If you have an argument in support of STK modules over a discrete, through hole circuit design, then lets hear it.

Myself, I like discrete through hole. But I am open to hearing an argument that may change my mind.
 
open to hearing an argument that may change my mind.

1. Easy to repair, when modules are available, since usually a bad amplifier can be fixed by changing one single component, and no real troubleshooting effort is required.

2. More compact board layout.

3. Sound not bad for what it is.
 
1. Easy to repair, when modules are available, since usually a bad amplifier can be fixed by changing one single component, and no real troubleshooting effort is required.

2. More compact board layout.

3. Sound not bad for what it is.
I see what you are saying for #1 and #2.

So for #3....."for what it is".....

What do you mean by that?^^
 
The STK modules are just the output Darlington pairs and associated emitter resistors and a few other bits, all of which are likely to be fried when an output shorts. I've never noticed a particular difference in sound quality, every amp I've seen with STKs has good specs, and I was quite happy with my KA-80 when it worked, and now that I've fixed it, it still sounds great to me. Having all four output transistors and associated emitters on a single die simplified manufacturing and cooling, and they have been pretty reliable. At least they don't blow up any more often than any other output system from the late 70's through the early 80's. Mine blew because a filter cap in the phono amp power supply vented out, and the resultant offset fried the output.

As noted, the only thing really wrong with them is that they are not available from the original manufacturer and replacements aren't as high a quality in many cases. There are new replacements with standard output transistors (in DIY or finished forms) that work very well if you want replaceable components too.

No one uses Darlington pairs any more, they were common to up the output capacity of available transistors back in the day, and with developments in transistors allowing higher voltage and current in a single die, became unnecessary. Not bad, just not needed.
 
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