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Switches on the Yamaha CA and CR tone controls?

Dark Knight

Dark Knight

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I recall a post a while back which described the Yamaha CR-1020 as "thin" sounding. I couldn't believe it but attributed it to individual differences in how people perceive things.

Lately I have been looking at the CR-1020 versus the CR-2020 plus I already own a CA 810. I just noticed that the CR-2020 and CA-810 have a feature that the CR-1020 does "not". That is, the treble and bass controls have their own switches. On the CA-810, when the switch associated with the treble is on 2.5 kHz and the one for the bass is on 500 Hz, it makes all the difference in the world to me. The switches in these positions really give "depth" to sound. In the other two positions i.e., tone defeat or 125 Hz (bass) and 8kHz (treble) the sound is very "thin". The CR-2020 has push-button equivalents to these switches, but the CR-1020 does not. Could this explain why the CR-1020 could be described as "thin" sounding Without these additional controls on the tone?

I am just a curious Yammie fan.

Thanks,

DK
 
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Thin sounding cr 1020

I have no idea of what thin sounding cr 1020 you are listening too.:no:
Mine is hooked up to a pair of Large new Advents and sound fantastic in every way:music:. The Treble and bass control are set to flat and I use the varible loudness control to its full advantage.:yes::thmbsp: I also have a nice equalizer in place as well, I use one with all of my hookups but I've noticed that a lot of folks don't.
 
merrylander said:
Switches? We don't need no stinkin' switches. Always run with the controls flat.
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Experience and wisdom tells it like it is. :yes:

Please don't get me wrong. I love the CR-1020 as I heard it so many years ago and eagerly await its arrival. I am just noticing these differences and trying to understand what they do and why they are there. Without these switches it is equivalent to setting the switches on the CA-810 to tone defeat?

DK
 
The CR-1020 tone controls are always available, there is no defeat except when they are centered, i.e., the flat position. Both controls start from about 1200Hz and gradually raise or lower the Bass or Treble. The presence control is centered at about 3000Hz, and again is essentially flat in the centered position. The two switches are for High and Low filters, I generally leave the 15Hz filter in all the time, its 12dB/octave cutoff guarantees that warped records will have no effect.
 
Are you talking about the bass and treble turnover frequency buttons or the bass and treble filter switches on the CR 2020/CA 810?
 
archie2 said:
Are you talking about the bass and treble turnover frequency buttons or the bass and treble filter switches on the CR 2020/CA 810?
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I completely forget that a real nice AK chap has provided the Yamaha owners' manual through his website. I looked it up there and finally know what they are called. You are correct, the switches that I am talking about are for the bass and treble turnover frequencies. I do have the variable loudness on "flat". Then, on the CA-810 I have the bass switch at 500 Hz and the treble at 2.5 kHz. It seems as the music has more "depth" on the these settings. I then noticed that the CR 2020 has these same tone controls but they are push buttons that are missing on the CR 1020. I then wondered if this might be the reason someone called the CR 1020 "thin" sounding. I just can't imagine that this is the case.

DK
 
I think you will find that the people who claim the CR-1020, or any Yamahas for that matter, are 'thin sounding' are used to the artificial frequency spectrum 'shaping' used on many competitive receivers. The CR-1020 will give out exactly whatever you put in, just louder, but if it is not in the input it sure as hell won't be in the output.
 
merrylander said:
I think you will find that the people who claim the CR-1020, or any Yamahas for that matter, are 'thin sounding' are used to the artificial frequency spectrum 'shaping' used on many competitive receivers. The CR-1020 will give out exactly whatever you put in, just louder, but if it is not in the input it sure as hell won't be in the output.
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What Rob said.
 
Coloured?

OK. I am about ready to put 2 and 2 together here. Does that mean when someone says the sound is "coloured" does that mean the bass and treble and their associated frequencies have been altered to produce a certain effect? So, the way Yamahas are designed to produce uncoloured sound? That is, not alter what was input to them. Left alone, they will give excatly (or a as close to) the way the music was recorded? Correct?

Sorry for the additional post but this stuff is getting very intersting to me.

DK
 
Does that mean when someone says the sound is "coloured" does that mean the bass and treble and their associated frequencies have been altered to produce a certain effect?
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They could be talking about anything.Coloured= altered from original
So, the way Yamahas are designed to produce uncoloured sound?
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Basically,yes (Natural Sound)
 
If I can ask a related question. Do all the two-channel Yamaha receivers (ie the CR,R, & RX series) have the same uncolored sound, or do any sound a bit different?
 
Yamaha audio has always strived for the most natural sound reproduction.Look on the front panel of any yamaha audio equipment.what does it say right next to the Yamaha logo.....Natural Sound....:thmbsp:
 
terapin said:
If I can ask a related question. Do all the two-channel Yamaha receivers (ie the CR,R, & RX series) have the same uncolored sound, or do any sound a bit different?
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I see few of the R-series here and none of the RX, but among all of the CR- family I have found little that in a A-B blind test that would let me distinguish between receivers. Even the CR-240 through CR-1040 models that used thick film hybrid technology the sound was pure Yamaha. Incidentally the CR-240 and CR-440 do not use that thick film pre driver and their power modules are still available.

In the R-series I have had R-300, R-700, R-900 and R-1000 go through here and all sounded similar. Also had the R-100 which was not part of that line, not quite sure where it fit as there was also an R-70 and an R-90.
 
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