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SX-3900 vs SX-1980

just curious if your a xx50 and x3x series fan? i love my sx-1010 X3X series, and have a 3900, i know exactly where your coming from, how a 100 watt unit could overtake in sound, volume and just experience over the 20 watt stronger "in theory" receiver. never had the privilege of the sx-1980 neither, but have herd the sx-828, sx-1010 and sx-1250, nothing in those lines ever give a doubt of the lineage its pioneer. only differences is volume knob. mind you that's the totl for 72-73, 74-75, and 76-77. perferadly i like the 1010 the most. its grandma's receiver with a bad attitude
The c3x series, James, I'm not familiar with . However, I have had many of the older SX series from the 70's, and now have the SX-1280. These, to me, have the true sound of Pioneer. The sound I had grown up with. The 3900 sounds like the BPC we have today. It looks the part, but it just doesn't measure up.
 
Its because the 3xxx series just lacks the sound of the 10xx, 12xx series and the 1980. I've compared the 3900 to lower wattage units and it lost handily for power... its a good sounding clarity unit, but a wopfer driver they aren't. Stick with your 10 series if you want that. I have no personal experience with the 1980 but I'd likely favor my 1010 and 1250.
 
Here after watching Paul McGowan talk about damping factor on his youtube page tonight. Googled my 1980's specs after, knowing it to perform poorly in this column, and ran into this thread. An owner first and currently, of a sx-3900, and also, a fully serviced and spec'd sx-1980(291x2). I'm so grateful to own them both. I was chasing scale, when I happened upon both of these units separately, before prices skyrocketed. I was scourering craigslist for "quality" monster power, at cheap prices. My home has an open floor plan, with the kitchen/living room sharing the same space, and high, vaulted ceiling. Measuring 26x30ft, 11 1/2ft. ceiling peak. Nothing I had when I bought this home could put a dent in that airspace. First I bought a pair of JBL 4430's. Nothing I had could push them, traded some guitar gear for a QSC RMX-1450. Got them moving but not something I wanted permanently, as part of my system. Found the sx-3900, a bit beat up, owned by someone who had no clue what they had. Better sound, still not enough spl. Then I found a pair of 4435's, shortly thereafter. Now we're getting closer. Then the sx-1980, closer yet. Then, yet another pair of 4435's. Currently, the 1980 is running both pairs of 4435's in parallel(4ohm) stacked, yes stacked. This equates to scale that of a small club, or really over the top car audio system. It moves so much air when I crank something really clean and walk outside, it moves the whole house, the whole house 1750+ square ft. Yes it's obnoxious. But I grew up in the early days of really large scale car audio, and I still crave that horsepower from time to time. That said, most of my listening is in the the high 70-80db range, 9 o'clock or so on the dial. This combination is amazing. Everything is just coasting, yet it still has the ability to let you know what your sitting in front of, with no effort at all. Whether a great lp, or a really nice stream, how revealing it is, is something I'd never experienced before, from lesser gear. So what the 3900's doing these days. It's part of my desktop system, which made it's way into my master bedroom, when I had to make room for a family member during covid. Even running my noisey desktop through the 1/8in. output, the 4430's, in addition to a pair of JBL 4610ok's, sound fantastic. To my knowledge, the 3900's never been serviced. I plan to recap it soon. That said, in roughly a 17x17ft bedroom, bass is no issue, like someone mentioned earlier. This is driving them in series, using both speaker outs. Again, it just coasts pushing both pairs. Tone bypassed, no loudness, just pure pioneer grunt. And, as well as the 1980, at low to moderate volumes, it just sounds fantastic. Both these systems reveal more than enough to let you know the quality of the source material, with ease. Do you lose some of that at unrecommended volumes? Sure but I'm talking the kind of volumes most would never listen. All that being said, I know for sure, the 4435's would love more headroom. And sure, more control from something with a higher damping factor. But because of their high efficiency, and my lack of hearing anything even near this scale, with similar resolution, I don't know what I'm missing, and I consider that just fine for now. Lastly, the 3900 to me is everything you'd want from the earlier sx's, if you can get past, or prefer the digital display. It's every bit as competent, just without the provenance, or price tag.
 
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I have a 3900 in the closet and had another I sold off, one day, when all my other work is done, I will restore it properly and its a damn sight easier to do such on....they 1980 has a mystique - sort of like the aluminum 427 vette - nice to have but more trouble than its worth Im beginning to think...
i owned 2x 3800's and 3x 3700's. The ONLY long term trouble free receiver of this series is the 3700, and still has a lot of punch. But yes they all sound great and are legit beautiful! Sx-3700 has no pre out main in though. But the 3900 and 3800's do! 3900 has unobtanium 'plug and play power transistor 'issues', but there are work arounds.
 
Here after watching Paul McGowan talk about damping factor on his youtube page tonight
take anything he says with a grain of salt. i've seen his videos where he was delusional. he is also highly biased towards his team and his products. go get 2nd and 3rd and 4th opinions on anything that comes out of his mouth. i stopped watching him years ago.

seems like a nice enough guy tho.
 
take anything he says with a grain of salt. i've seen his videos where he was delusional. he is also highly biased towards his team and his products. go get 2nd and 3rd and 4th opinions on anything that comes out of his mouth. i stopped watching him years ago.

seems like a nice enough guy tho.
I take everything, everyone says in this hobby with a grain of salt. But he's also got one of the ballsiest return programs in the industry, that has to say something about his products. This page along with Hoffman, Heritage, and a couple other's, some 10 good subscriptions on youtube, keeps me grounded. Paul's a trip for sure, and my trade has me on the other side of the engineer's, so I'm well aware of the theory to practice divide. Being in manufacturing has me wtf'ing engineers all the time. This stuff is all a bit entertainment, learning, questioning, putting to practice. Karma was a big part in picking my mentioned gear, and so far, I've had no regrets. I do wonder about more modern, higher end equipment, I'd love a couple monster bhk's on those 4435's but I'm well aware of diminishing returns as well. I need to hit up a couple of the big shows, and visit a couple high end dealers in my area, to try to see if I'm missing anything. There's not anything I want for in audio, except maybe something like the schiit Loki-Max, to be able to fine tune crap recordings from my listening chair. To do that remotely would be incredible, especially, using an American made product. Yet another reason I watch Paul, great to see someone knee deep in American manufacturing. For now I just hop up however many times it takes, and play with the bass & trebles on the 1980, and return to zero when firing up my next listen. Four tone controls is pretty sweet in that regard, and a big selling point of both the 3900, and the 1980.
 
I take everything, everyone says in this hobby with a grain of salt. But he's also got one of the ballsiest return programs in the industry, that has to say something about his products. This page along with Hoffman, Heritage, and a couple other's, some 10 good subscriptions on youtube, keeps me grounded. Paul's a trip for sure, and my trade has me on the other side of the engineer's, so I'm well aware of the theory to practice divide. Being in manufacturing has me wtf'ing engineers all the time. This stuff is all a bit entertainment, learning, questioning, putting to practice. Karma was a big part in picking my mentioned gear, and so far, I've had no regrets. I do wonder about more modern, higher end equipment, I'd love a couple monster bhk's on those 4435's but I'm well aware of diminishing returns as well. I need to hit up a couple of the big shows, and visit a couple high end dealers in my area, to try to see if I'm missing anything. There's not anything I want for in audio, except maybe something like the schiit Loki-Max, to be able to fine tune crap recordings from my listening chair. To do that remotely would be incredible, especially, using an American made product. Yet another reason I watch Paul, great to see someone knee deep in American manufacturing. For now I just hop up however many times it takes, and play with the bass & trebles on the 1980, and return to zero when firing up my next listen. Four tone controls is pretty sweet in that regard, and a big selling point of both the 3900, and the 1980.
i realy wish i knew more about vintage speakers, but they are expensive, and usualy tattered. the 3900 is a beast of its own right, sat next to a 1250, it had most of the volume knob of the 40 watt superrior unit, but the sound of a unit that reflects the thd. i perfer the old grunting x50's and x3x types.
 


Let me know what you think of the sound, I know it is just a cell phone video, but that is all i have. spent my money on the stereo equipment,, Hehe
 
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