TAKET BATPURE super tweeter, has anyone tried it? Also, super tweeter suggestions?

[Kreshna]

Found a really intriguing supertweeter model named TAKET BATPURE, seems to be Japan-made. The price is unbelievably cheap, considering a single Fostex T90A super tweeter will set you back about four hundred bucks.

An example of the supertweeter application, right from the website.

Has anyone actually tried it? Could anyone share their experience about the BATPURE super tweeter?

My NHT SuperZero Xu --belongs to the same generation as the original SuperZero A450-- has mids to die for. Unfortunately, its treble airiness and lucidity still can't touch that of JBL titanium dome tweeter. More specifically, the 044Ti and 035Ti whose highs I've been so used to. Not to mention the SuperZeros sound dull, midrangey, and lifeless at low volumes --albeit so lively when played loudly. In any case, I wonder if adding super tweeters could help my case, although since the SuperZeros are such cheap speakers, I don't think the expensive Fostex T90A is a feasible solution.

Anyone?

 

[orsen]

i picked up some radio shack 40-1310 super tweeters at a yard sale [ supposedly made by fostex ]
just plain drivers no crossovers or pods
i made pods from abs pipe and scrounged parts from stuff i had around the house
the change in sound is incredible
i'm getting older ,spent 30yrs in an industrial setting, so i know i have lost some top end hearing

i start playing with them yesterday, but even my girlfriend noticed the difference as soon as she walked in the house

i probably have them turned up too high right now, but they seem to affect all frequencies, even bass sounds better

i dont have good tools for cutting small circles, but hope to have them finished today

 

[slimecity]

BATPURE comes highly recommended by a friend of mine Bruce Wayne.

He told me they are his speaker of choice for something he calls the "Bat Cave?"

 

[elnaldo]

Found a really intriguing supertweeter model named TAKET BATPURE, seems to be Japan-made. The price is unbelievably cheap, considering a single Fostex T90A super tweeter will set you back about four hundred bucks.

An example of the supertweeter application, right from the website.

Has anyone actually tried it? Could anyone share their experience about the BATPURE super tweeter?

My NHT SuperZero Xu --belongs to the same generation as the original SuperZero A450-- has mids to die for. Unfortunately, its treble airiness and lucidity still can't touch that of JBL titanium dome tweeter. More specifically, the 044Ti and 035Ti whose highs I've been so used to. Not to mention the SuperZeros sound dull, midrangey, and lifeless at low volumes --albeit so lively when played loudly. In any case, I wonder if adding super tweeters could help my case, although since the SuperZeros are such cheap speakers, I don't think the expensive Fostex T90A is a feasible solution.

Anyone?

Hello. I was reading different questions you posted about "upgrading" your SuperZeros speakers, what you refer as "such cheap speakers". I think you should move on and replace the speakers that you don't like, instead of investing time and money doing changes with unknown results. I'd sell the SuperZeros and try a different speaker, specially if you don't have a modified SuperZero to try and listen, and check if you like that mod.

Or, take it the other way, as a learning experience, and buy some replacement tweeters and start doing measurements and tweaking the crossovers to obtain a better result.

 

[Nat]

Super Zeros are hardly 'such cheap speakers'. A very well regarded designer, and a durable design. I do have to say I don't think that a lack of high end is the Super Zero's problem - they need a subwoofer (and a good one) to be full range. I've been surprised at how much the low end affects imaging, which is often considered a high frequency issue. It actually makes sense, if you consider that imaging has to be part of recreating an actual space, and our sense of where a musical event is taking place is very much related to the illusion of acoustic space - a sense of how big (and reverberent) the room is.

 

[bimasta]

Any tweeter that extends highs well beyond the standard 20KHz can be used. I use 2 small Heil AMT's specc'd to 35KHz, and it adds so much (crossed in at 8.5KHz). They aren't called "Super Tweeters", and my 18Hz subwoofers aren't called "Super Woofs." Abraham Lincoln wasn't called "Super Prez". The cheap little AMT's do everything my highly prized and priced JBL 077's do, at 90% less cost.

As for the NHTs, the price was cheap, but the quality was considered among the best. Low pricing was NHT's philosophy — Audio for the people, not just the Elites — it was noble, but led to their financial demise. As for "durable", the foam surrounds decompose but that's not unusual.

 

[Kreshna]

I agree with @Nat , that NHT SuperZero was such excellent speakers. And to clarify with @elnaldo , the fact that NHT SuperZero has such cheap price doesn't mean they're not excellent speakers. In fact, they have such unparalleled midrange, especially vocals. They also have such incredible stereo imaging and soundstage depth. For example, B&W DM302 is often said to have great soundstage depth, but I have to squint to notice the aforementioned depth. NHT SuperZero, on the other hand, has such easily noticeable soundstage depth, that gives me the "wow, that sound comes from behind the speakers!" moment. That's especially true when listening to Chesky Records albums.

However, I've been addicted to the sound of cymbals and hi-hats on JBL titanium domed series --JBL 120Tis, L20Ts, 4410s, and the likes. When it goes to vocals, especially female vocals, NHT SuperZeros beat JBL L20Ts hands-down. The L20Ts also have such pinpoint imaging, and yet it cannot touch the SuperZero's unbelievable 3D imaging. Alas, the SuperZero's tweeter just cannot give me such airy, lucid, shimmering cymbals the L20T's titanium dome tweeter provides. I wouldn't blame the SuperZeros. After all, they have soft dome tweeters. The only soft dome tweeters I've heard that could match my JBL titanium dome tweeter's lucidity and cleanliness is that of B&W DM302. But DM302's tweeter still couldn't match JBL titanium dome tweeter in airiness.

I wonder if using super tweeter with NHT SuperZero would give me the best of both worlds.

@orsen : would you describe the super tweeter you're using with more details? Do cymbals sound airy, loud and clean?

Perhaps what I perceive as rolled-off cymbals on NHT SuperZero is actually more accurate, more neutral representation of the recorded material's HF. And perhaps what I hear as loud, clear, and airy cymbals on JBL titanium dome tweeters is actually 'icing of the cake' --a less accurate, although more beautiful representation of the HF in the recorder materials. But I always choose euphony over accuracy.

@slimecity since you mentioned it...

 

[Kreshna]

Any tweeter that extends highs well beyond the standard 20KHz can be used. I use 2 small Heil AMT's specc'd to 35KHz, and it adds so much (crossed in at 8.5KHz). They aren't called "Super Tweeters", and my 18Hz subwoofers aren't called "Super Woofs." Abraham Lincoln wasn't called "Super Prez". The cheap little AMT's do everything my highly prized and priced JBL 077's do, at 90% less cost.

As for the NHTs, the price was cheap, but the quality was considered among the best. Low pricing was NHT's philosophy — Audio for the people, not just the Elites — it was noble, but led to their financial demise. As for "durable", the foam surrounds decompose but that's not unusual.

Indeed. Please see my post above. NHT SuperZeros are speakers that do everything right. But alas, JBL titanium dome tweeter suits my taste better. I wonder if using supert weeter with NHT SuperZero would give me louder, cleaner, and airier cymbals than it is.

 

[bimasta]

Maybe. I have some soft-domes that do cymbals beautifully — for me. Nothing is missing, it's all there. A metal dome could give more — but is metal-on-metal hyping the sound, exaggerating it? You say you want cymbals "louder": to me, that sounds like artificial boost. If you like it that way, great — but does it make a violin screech like a banshee from Hell?

"Airiness" is one of your goals too. That's where super-tweeters excel. They seem to "energize" the air in your listening room, the air itself is playing music, not just passing it through to your ears. It can also be called "sparkle", "shimmer" even "some kind of indefinable magic". When I started playing with those very-high frequencies, I heard that magic — but what really surprised me was how they enhanced the midrange, even the upper bass. Music seems more "complete".

 

[orsen]

i havnt had time to listen this week
but they add to all frequencies, bass sound better, mids and highs sound great

ti tweeters go above 20k
take one of your ti's and a capacitor around 2.2 uf and connect to your zeros
it will give you an idea
even better with an l-pad so you can turn them up or down

 

[Kreshna]

Maybe. I have some soft-domes that do cymbals beautifully — for me. Nothing is missing, it's all there. A metal dome could give more — but is metal-on-metal hyping the sound, exaggerating it? You say you want cymbals "louder": to me, that sounds like artificial boost. If you like it that way, great — but does it make a violin screech like a banshee from Hell?

Well, I'm not pretty sure. Since NHT SuperZero is often described as neutral and accurate, I assume the rolled off cymbals and hi-hats of the speakers are accurate depictions of how they sound, and that would make lucid cymbals and hi-hats on JBL titanium is exaggerration. But that could be the other way around.

In any case, JBL titanium dome tweeter sounds cleaner --and less grainy-- on cymbals and hi-hats than the SuperZero's soft dome tweeter, for some reason unknown.

Strangely, neither violin nor trumpet screech on JBL titanium dome tweeter.

"Airiness" is one of your goals too. That's where super-tweeters excel. They seem to "energize" the air in your listening room, the air itself is playing music, not just passing it through to your ears. It can also be called "sparkle", "shimmer" even "some kind of indefinable magic". When I started playing with those very-high frequencies, I heard that magic — but what really surprised me was how they enhanced the midrange, even the upper bass. Music seems more "complete".

Ah, then it's a good thing. It's airiness that I'm looking for. If it's only lucidity, then B&W DM302's soft dome tweeter sounds as lucid and as clean as JBL titanium dome tweeter. However, the soft dome tweeter is nowhere as airy.

i havnt had time to listen this week
but they add to all frequencies, bass sound better, mids and highs sound great

ti tweeters go above 20k
take one of your ti's and a capacitor around 2.2 uf and connect to your zeros
it will give you an idea
even better with an l-pad so you can turn them up or down

I see. That could work. Thank you. So I don't even need a super tweeter to achieve the result, as long as I cross it right, am I correct?

 

[orsen]

your jbl tweets go to aprox 30,000

http://www.carstereo.com/help/Articles.cfm?id=1

look for a cap value that suites you

 

[Nat]

Bimasta - when I called the Zero a durable design I meant that it stayed in production a long time, admittedly in a couple of configurations. I wasn't refering to the foam surrounds, the longevity of which depends very much on conditions in use, but rarely last as long as other types - though they can have problems, too, and may be less easy to fix.

 

[bimasta]

Bimasta - when I called the Zero a durable design I meant that it stayed in production a long time, admittedly in a couple of configurations. I wasn't refering to the foam surrounds, the longevity of which depends very much on conditions in use, but rarely last as long as other types - though they can have problems, too, and may be less easy to fix.

I knew what you meant Nat, and agreed without you needing to restate it. In this brief spontaneous format, I can't begin to write everything I'd like to, nor spend time 'perfecting' the language — so all my posts are incomplete and flawed.

Your mention of deep bass defining the space is spot-on too. I use stereo subs — venues have three dimensions and dual subs give me floor, walls and ceiling. I don't hear all the dimensions with a mono sub.

 

[orsen]

super tweeters add "tissss" to cymbals
all percussion seems to sound cleaner and snappier from snare drums to tambourines
brushes on drums sound really good
piano sounds great
even bass sounds better

 

[Kreshna]

super tweeters add "tissss" to cymbals
all percussion seems to sound cleaner and snappier from snare drums to tambourines
brushes on drums sound really good
piano sounds great
even bass sounds better

Sounds great, exactly what I want. Thanks.