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Technics SL-1200MK-I vs Technics SL-1500MK-I : what to choose ?

liemjerry

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Hello,

I am in the sotuation of choicing 2 Vintage Turntable :
1. Technics SL-1200MK-I ( US230 ) : condition is 90%, some age-ing on the front, but other side is OK, all original, except AC Jack cable has been changed to new one due to safety reason. Machine work well, no problem with new Shure ( I don't exactly know the type )
2. Technis SL-1500MK-I ( US195 ) condition is 97%, maybe the only one physically known is only a little crock on the upper side of arcrylic cover, the other is mint condition. Machine work well, all is in original condition, there's no change of part

From year of production I see that SL-1200MK-I is in 1972 and SL-1500MK-I is between 1975-1978

My need is for musically operation like jazz/vocal jazz/instruments, which one of those two Turntables is better of choicing?
What is the main difference between those 2 Turntables ?
Which is good for using in 2-4 years and have though durability and also sure the sound quality ( maybe the vibration reduction, stability of platter, and so on is important )

Thank you..
 
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Both are very durable and dependable, no difference there. The SL-1200 (original, not MK2) is just a bit nicer since it was the first generation of direct drive turntables, National / Technics had something to prove there, so it has been built to the best standards. The extra 2.2 kilo of weight if you compare it to the SL-1500 (original, not MK2) go somewhere. I especially like way the bearing, motor and platter are engineered on the original SL-1200. Not that the SL-1500 is bad in that respect, not at all. But to me SL-1200 is just nicer. I also like the looks of the SL-1200 better, the controls, the strobe, the arm.

Bottom line: both work just as well and both are very, very reliable once they have had their pitch controls and speed / on / off switches cleaned, and both can sound great with the right cartridge. But I would personally pick the SL-1200, because of the looks and the way it is over-engineered.
 
I have both and I like the SL-1500 better. Never liked the SL-1200's tonearm design. If you compare the SL-1500 bearing and motor to the SL-1200, the SL-1500 appears closer to the future design they used on the SL-1200MK2, although not quit as robust. The SL-1500 according to the linked chart was more expensive, although appears to have similar specs. Who knows if this info is correct. I think the most important thing is condition at this point. Vinyl Engine has manuals for both model turntables. Technics shure put out a lot of turntable models.

http://vintagetechnics.co.uk/turntables.htm
 
I have owned and repaired pretty much any Technics model including multiple SL-1500's and a SL-120 (armless 1200), and though I liked the engineering standard and looks of the SL-120 a bit better I wouldn't say there was a noticeable performance difference, turntable wise. Of course the arms were very different since the SL-120 was equipped with a SME 3009 (which I do not like that much honestly). I happen to like the look of the SL-1200 arm but I have never listened to it, so it could well be the design that Technics used on the SL-1500 arm is the better sounding one. Both are a bit on the heavy side, in their next generation of turntables they used a similar design as the SL-1500 one but they reduced the diameter of the armtube which made the arm lighter.

Indeed a lot of the info of the vintageknob is incorrect, unfortunately. You see some of the strangest price differences that do not make sense and are not in accordance with the old catalogs and where the turntables were in the line-up.

I am sure the SL-1200 was the premium model. Together with the SL-1100 it was the "semi-pro" model back then, right below the SP series. Just like the SL-1200MK2 was the "semi-pro" model just below the SP MK2 and MK3 series later on.

If you take al look at the Japanese Technics component line-up 1976 catalogue it will make sense. You will see these list prices:

SL-1200 65.800 yen
SL-1400 59.800 yen

Usually the difference between auto, semi-auto and manual would be 5.000 - 10.000 yen for each step (compare the prices of the 1300 vs the 1400 and the 1600 vs the 1700 in the same catalogue) so the SL-1500 will have been priced around 50.000 to 55.000 yen where the SL-1200 would cost 10.000 to 15.000 more.

I like the motor and bearing of the SL-1200 (and SL-1100 which uses the same) simply because it is different from all the others that followed: the SL-1200MK2, the SL-1500, but also a cheap SL-D2 or SL-2000 use the same design. What I like about the first design of the original 1200 and 1100 is that it is a closed bearing design. I bet the main reason Technics went to the "rotor integrated in platter" design is the fact that they required less materials and allowed for cabinet designs with a lower profile. It probably was cheaper to manufacture too. Performance wise I do not see a reason for any difference.

Physically the SL-1500 bearing and motor are just as robust as the SL-1200MK2 by the way, the SL-1200MK2 just gets fed more power so the torque is higher.

Also the motor of the SL-1200 is a 20-pole (rotor)/ 15-coil (stator) design where with the newer designs like the SL-1500 and others they reduced it with 16 poles and 12 coils. Not necessarily better, but different. :)
 
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dutchflea- Good stuff!! Sounds like you have lots of experience with these units. Great post.
Wow, that was a lot of useful info, I have a 1600mk2, an SL D2 and an SL150,
I picked up the Sl150 at a perfect price and it is in good condition so I have made it a project, the turntable does not have an arm so I first thought of fitting a SME 3009, but I had an old Rega rb 300 that has been sitting around for ages, so I purchased an arm board to fit and sent the arm off to be rebuilt and silver wired, I am going to fit a VTA adjuster as well, I then set about cleaning the pots and took off those awful feet and replaced them with Sorbothane half spheres, I filled the plastic base with Dynamat and made a Sorbothane gasket to go between the armboard and the plinth, and as I had some Sorbothane left over I removed the transformer and made a new seating for it.
I am still waiting for the arm to return but can you think of anything else I could do to improve things?
 
Wow, that was a lot of useful info, I have a 1600mk2, an SL D2 and an SL150,
I picked up the Sl150 at a perfect price and it is in good condition so I have made it a project, the turntable does not have an arm so I first thought of fitting a SME 3009, but I had an old Rega rb 300 that has been sitting around for ages, so I purchased an arm board to fit and sent the arm off to be rebuilt and silver wired, I am going to fit a VTA adjuster as well, I then set about cleaning the pots and took off those awful feet and replaced them with Sorbothane half spheres, I filled the plastic base with Dynamat and made a Sorbothane gasket to go between the armboard and the plinth, and as I had some Sorbothane left over I removed the transformer and made a new seating for it.
I am still waiting for the arm to return but can you think of anything else I could do to improve things?

If i was you, i would check if KABUSA (company) or other company has an improved bearing that fits your turntable. Some companies made (make?) improved bearings for the SL-1200MK2/MKx series and in theory it should fit your SL-150 too, well, if it's a SL-150MK2.
 
If i was you, i would check if KABUSA (company) or other company has an improved bearing that fits your turntable. Some companies made (make?) improved bearings for the SL-1200MK2/MKx series and in theory it should fit your SL-150 too, well, if it's a SL-150MK2.
Its actually a mk1 model but I may investigate these bearings.
 
Its actually a mk1 model but I may investigate these bearings.

I have owned turntables of those "mk1" series (they share many common parts: i.e. SL-1300, 1400, 1500, 1600). What I never liked was the bearing design, too small for my liking and of an "open" design, that means, they don't have an oil "well".

Otherwise they have good things.
 
Being an active ‘hi-fi’ hobby-ist/audiophile and most of all a lover of most types of music mostly all of my life I can recall when in 1972 Panasonic/Technics was still striving to find a strong foot-hold in the USA audiophile and consumer stereo market.
Living in NYC since birth, I also lived in the other boros but as a teenager I had made almost monthly trips into the big city. I went there because more than any place NYC had it all. From food, stereo, TV’s, fashions, jobs etc, if it was man-made, you’d find an example of it there in NYC.

In my many trips into the city, Technics by 1971-72 flooded practically every hi-fi store. I mean these Technics tables were everywhere. Initially, I didn’t care for them as I felt they looked too technical/mechanical whereas I felt music was better served on a table that looked inviting thru the use of wood and softer more graceful lines.
Realizing that my 1972 purchase of a AR-Xa table was not giving me what I ultimately wanted, after two years with it, I needed something better, more upscale. By 1974 I started searching those numerous NYC hi-fi stores again. With only scarce test reports on the table I was yearning for, I purchased a b rand new Tannoy/Micro-Seiki TM-55 direct drive table.
It was beautiful with it’s wood-veneer dark-reddish color that covered the entire base and plinth, it was simply lovely. Best of all it was that ‘new’ ‘direct-drive’ method I had already read so much about as the new coming technology. Brought it home, hooked it up and I was immersed in a realistic sounding wave of music like never before.
Gone was the rumble, the slow starts, the frailty and uncertainty of the absent settings of the AR-Xa table. Now I could now turn up the volume and not worry about any acoustic-feedback or fear of foot falls being heard. Not to forget, the speed accuracy was a total joy. Mid range was more articulate, highs were more crystalline, bass was effortlessly firm and confident sounding. There was no slight congestion and the separation of notes offered even more air. It all gave me a new dimensional thrill through vinyl in 1974. I was so thrilled, (and that was with a Shure M91E), that I saved up and dropped a whopping $75. on a brand new Shure Type III. I surely must've had the best sound system in at least 5 square block area, or so I thought. Through a Dynaco PAS-3X, Phase Linear PL-400 and AR-3a's my system was all I could ask for.

Fast forward to 2005 and I was setting up a new apartment and looking for something new in tables. Unfortunately my budget was limited so I searched older used tables. Through the ease of the internet, I discovered that the auction site offered many options. It was never that easy years before the interweb.
I bought a used SL-120 with its factory tonearm. Later on I bought another with a arm I had lusted for back then, a Black-Widow. The sound of it seemed so much more quicker, stable, full and overall better and more musical than my aging Micro-Seiki TM55. Itself, the TM55 was excellent in all areas but, the SL-120 edged it out of my system just the same. I found it personally amazing that the table I disliked in 1972 I was now quickly falling in love with. The music seemed to flow so much more effortlessly right to my mind, I was impressed.

Well that was 2005 and since not only have I enjoyed myself more than ever listening to music, I went out and bought 5 more SL-120’s. I’ve installed a mint S.M.E. 3009 Pre-Improved tonearm on each table. I can also recall it was sometimes offred that way in stores but, it was the '3009 Improved arm.
By 2016 I’ve also purchased two SL-110’s and for those I use two mint Dynavector 505 arms with heavier cartridges. I also play with other top arms and use a full complement of quality cartridges. The Lyra Delos, Kleos and AudioTechnica ART-9 in system number 1. In system number 2, I use the SL-1100’s with the 505 arms along with a Ortofon Cadenza Blue and a Benz-Micro Gull-Wing. Attached fotos of system # one. I'd show System # 2's but, the room is to full to show in public.

In closing, I can whole-heartedly say I feel the SL-120 and SL-1100 are excellent tables and can probably give a good run to some of the more costly, more modern tables out there. I’m more than satisfied with its performance and continue to enjoy both models frequently.
With over 7000+vinyl disks I always utilize ultra-sonic cleaning and have always been critically concerned of a disk's handling and playing condition.
P.S. I also enjoy the Thorens 125 turntables and find it uncannily close in many ways to the SL-120's sound. Though, the SL-120 seems faster in the retrieval and decay of note edges. Though it wasn't a qualifying test as I used two different cartridges.
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P.S, To answer the OP, as I recall though I could be wrong, the SL-120 came out as the consumer flagship model and it came out first. Any other models that came out after were lesser in materials and construction. The later introduced SL 'II's were better than the original SL-1400, 1500, 1600, & 1700, example SL-1600II. The SL-1100 was entirely different than those models and closer to the SL-120 though, it's motor is virtually identical. It's been said that Panasonic being as huge as it was/is had a huge budget in these table's research and design.
There was even another rare SL-120 but, with only half a plinth, no tonearm and built and sold to be placed in a custom plinth. To me it also gave more credence to the design quality of the standard SL-120.
When the consumer SL-120 came out, so did the TOTL SP-10 with a similar motor to the SL-120 and later with newer later iterations of itself with better motors and platters aimed at the professional market. A deep search could prove me wrong but, I think I've relayed the general information.
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Nice 1200s @frankmarsi !

I also have a 1200 Mk 1 and really like it. It has the factory tonearm. While not perfect, it does what it needs to. :)
 
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