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Technics SL-1600MK2 Issues

blargh22

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Short story: Platter spins with tonearm at rest, platter stops when tonearm is moved to play a record. Automatic functions do nothing. When dead cold (unplugged for a few days), turntable might work normally on occasion for a minute or two. Most of the time, platter begins spinning as soon as the turntable is powered on, platter stops when you attempt to move the tonearm. Tonearm moves freely otherwise.

Long story: I've had this SL-1600MK2 for many years, but was never able to get it working. Long story short, I bought it on ebay about 8 years ago for $20, advertised as working. Upon bringing it home, the turntable powered on but the motor didn't spin or do anything. I really wanted to get this thing working so I brought it to a repair shop, they replaced the cuing belt, and threw on a cheap stylus and charged me $75.

I got really excited, brought it home, and it played about a half a record.

The turntable works intermittently when cold, it would sometimes work for a few minutes. Otherwise, when the turntable powers on, the platter starts spinning. When you move the arm over the play a record the platter stops spinning. Basically a reverse operation. 99% of the time this is what happens. 1% of the time the turntable will work normally for a minute or two. When I brought it back to the repair shop, they told me the optical sensor was bad and I am out of luck as this is a discontinued part. They refunded me about $30 for the repair.

The turntable then stayed with me for another 3 moves and 8 years. Finally I got sick of looking at it, decided to get a second opinion. I found another reputable repair shop a little further from home that had many good reviews. This shop had the turntable for 3 months, and told me the arm control logical board is bad and I am also out of luck. When I got it back from them (paid them $50 for the diagnosis), they had the wrong mat on the turntable, which is a pretty big deal as their are 9 IR emitters in the platter. I realized this after getting it home. I've been at war with them about the mat, and they are saying they cannot find it.

I then opted to buy a used motor board with optical sensor off ebay, to see if that fixes the problem. Of course the connector on this optical sensor is loose, and who knows if it is even good, but when I installed the entire board assembly with optical sensor, the turntable exhibits the same operation, platter spins when powered on, stops spinning when the arm moves to play a record.

I am now about $175 into this turntable, and would really like to get it working. When I opened it up, I saw that the power wires going to the motor board were replaced at some point, and were simply just wrapped around the two posts on the motor board and not secured otherwise. How are these supposed to be secured? I have not tried to see if the polarity is correct on them yet.

Does anyone have any advise on these symptoms, platter spins with the arm at rest, platter stops when tonearm moves over a platter. When dead cold the turntable seems to work normally for a few minutes on occasion. Automatic functions seem to work.

Is my only option here to convert the turntable to full manual control? If so, what would it take to do that?
 
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Does anyone have any advise on these symptoms, platter spins with the arm at rest, platter stops when tonearm moves over a platter. When dead cold the turntable seems to work normally for a few minutes on occasion. Automatic functions seem to work.

Welcome to the AK turn table forum.

There is information about "auto start" adjustment on page 11 of the service manual:
https://www.vinylengine.com/library/technics/sl-1600.shtml

It may be of help in your situation. :idea:
 
The wrong mat (i.e., one without the holes for the infrared LEDs) should just cause the table to act like there's a 12-inch record on the platter. It shouldn't cause the issue you're describing of the platter stopping when the tonearm is moved over the platter.

Now, if your shop "lost" the OEM mat, they should pay up for that. I believe that mat is unique to this model, so that makes it a somewhat rare item and somewhat valuable. That alone makes it a tempting item to "lose." The table won't ever work correctly without it (unless you DIY a mat).

Converting it to full manual might be possible. You'd probably just have to trick the sensor under the tonearm. Somebody over on vinylengine was having an issue with his SL-D33, where he couldn't get the platter to start at all. The theory was that the sensor was just out of alignment. Maybe yours has a similar issue.
 
I have tried aligning the sensor but that did not help at all. I had the issues with the turntable even when I had the proper mat. If I can ever get this thing to work, I will likely have to make a DIY mat. But first I need to try to figure out what is causing the "reverse" operation.
 
Short answer: If you like the SL 1600 MK ll for what it is, then take it in to a tech and get it repaired. If you want a fully manual turntable, sell it for parts and get the SL 1800 MK ll.
 
Short answer: If you like the SL 1600 MK ll for what it is, then take it in to a tech and get it repaired. If you want a fully manual turntable, sell it for parts and get the SL 1800 MK ll.
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blargh22 already do this twice been burned both times
Never helpful when wise guy with working machine throw out flippant remarks especially when not knowing problem with machine up for discussion and blargh22 already been treated poorly by at least one hack
JJ
 
Not helpful
blargh22 already do this twice been burned both times
Never helpful when wise guy with working machine throw out flippant remarks especially when not knowing problem with machine up for discussion and blargh22 already been treated poorly by at least one hack
JJ

If you want to help the OP, then address your comments to him. I would appreciate if you would keep your distance and not quote my posts. If you have a beef with me, send me a pm and we can work it out...;)
 
LOL. Neither of the previous two users' comments were particularly helpful.

So you've replaced the motor board and the table behaves the same way. Sadly, the scan of the service manual is really crappy, and the troubleshooting page appears to pertain only to the drive motor circuit.

What about starting with the capacitors in the power supply, then moving to the main board?

More/other info here

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analogue-source/34224-technics-sl-1610-mkii-arm-lift-problem.html

You didn't mention -- does the arm lift work? The main IC (IC401) is a MN1400PA, which appears to be a proprietary Technics item :(
 
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I am actually restoring a Technics SL 1600 MK ll. I picked it up as a parts unit but decided to restore it instead. Mechanically, there is enough info on the internet to help anyone who has some basic mechanical knowledge and skills. Repairing the electronics is another story. You need to know what you are doing and unless you do, a forum like this will be of little help.....This is my opinion.

Turning a SL 1600 MK ll, which is fully automatic, into a manual turntable seems to me to be a waste of a fine machine. When it works properly, it works beautifully. I also have a Technics SL 1800 MK ll which is fully manual. It too is a beautiful machine, that is why I suggested the OP consider the manual SL 1800 instead of potentially destroying a fully automatic SL1600.
 
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I'm tempted to agree it might be best to part it out and walk away. If the tonearm, feet and cover are in good shape you could perhaps recoup your investment or at least a good proportion.
 
I'm tempted to agree it might be best to part it out and walk away. If the tonearm, feet and cover are in good shape you could perhaps recoup your investment or at least a good proportion.
The BEST I can hope for right now is that blargh22 is driving distance from me as I glad to repair his machine for him gratis
JJ
 
LOL. Neither of the previous two users' comments were particularly helpful.

So you've replaced the motor board and the table behaves the same way. Sadly, the scan of the service manual is really crappy, and the troubleshooting page appears to pertain only to the drive motor circuit.

What about starting with the capacitors in the power supply, then moving to the main board?

More/other info here

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analogue-source/34224-technics-sl-1610-mkii-arm-lift-problem.html

You didn't mention -- does the arm lift work? The main IC (IC401) is a MN1400PA, which appears to be a proprietary Technics item :(
Then try reading mine again may be refrain from throwing out bad advice guesses
JJ
 
OK, enough is enough. Take it to PM's and whack away at each other. Next snotty post will end the posters time in this thread and maybe some bench time. You are both allegedly adults so try acting like one please. All this back and forth isn't helping the guy with the TT at all.
 
Thank you all for chiming in. The tonearm lift does work. Given that most of the parts are difficult to obtain, I asked about going the manual route at a last resort. Parts for this turntable are sold online for a lot of money and usually as is with no returns and no gaurantees. Which is why buying used parts to repair this will get costly and I want to avoid buying other people's garbage. Bear in mind, I brought the turntable to two professionals, neither of which could fix it. I also posted on here in hopes of someone seeing such symptoms before. I've read the service manual and although I'm comfortable throwing parts at the turntable, I do not have access to an oscilloscope.
 
The Technics SL 1600 MK2 is the only turntable I own that is, for the most part, electronically controlled, so the "solid state" forum may be the place to look for help.
 
Well, I might be able to answer one of your questions ...

... When I opened it up, I saw that the power wires going to the motor board were replaced at some point, and were simply just wrapped around the two posts on the motor board and not secured otherwise. How are these supposed to be secured? I have not tried to see if the polarity is correct on them yet ...

Sounds like a wire wrap connection. Very commonly done and secure connection in point-to-point wiring. But hard to redo since once you unwrap, the wire won't rewrap properly and I believe the post is toast too ... and typically there isn't enough slack in the wire to cut off, strip and re-wrap. Many recommend to de-solder the pin and resolder. Of course you need special tools to wire wrap.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wire_wrap
 
You have bad connection may be dirty bad switch with this machine
Before I start doing my own work I owned kenwood direct drive machine developed stop running problem shop keep for days and weeks never could repair now I know was 10 cent diode problem from technical bulletin
This especially frustrating I buy machine from same people
I waited some time then sold machine back to them while it was working I had bought two from them same model one for son
Problems like this hard to find shop willing to give time required to track down cause OR willing to give time for proper restorative type repair with out inflated price tag for time only interested in turn and burn
I understand up to point business has to stay in business but just always seems very easy to blame parts shop knows very difficult impossible to find and keep money instead of just saying this one over our heads or willingness
If works normally but brief before fail then issue bad connection SOME WHERE!
THAT machine has DOZENS and DOZENS of solder pads now all very old!
Should re flow them ALL after right now problem solved
I wishing you live near me
Good luck!
JJ
 
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