Technics SL-QD33 turntable - some repair tips

I had to repair one of these recently, and while searching for answers, there were ~20 threads of people wondering why the platter stopped spinning / tonearm stopped moving, or things would work intermittently. Many threads ended with no conclusion, so I suspect many tables were binned.

I had some time this morning to finish it off and thought I'd share, in case someone does a search in the future.

These points will likely apply to similar Technics turntables like the SL-QD22, SL-BD33, SL-BD20, etc, not just the SL-QD33. It's just a budget table but apparently decent enough.

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  • The first major problem is that Technics cheaped out and used Toshin Kogyo capacitors in these (they say TK on them). The particular ones that were bad were ALL the 47uF ones in my unit, down to 10uF or worse in some cases. I took the opportunity to replace them all, but if you are on a budget, I'd recommend replacing all the TK branded ones at least. Check all boards (function button board, power supply board, motor board). Generally the Panasonic/Matsushita (triangle logo) are fine. This will generally restore all electronic function, particularly the platter and tonearm either completely not working or only working intermittently.
  • I replaced the main PSU capacitor (2200uF axial) with a slightly higher value 2700uF Panasonic FM radial, you can do whatever you want here - just make sure it physically fits. This one *just* cleared when mounted upright.
  • The second "issue" most people notice is that the record size detection "prongs" that poke out of the platter are amiss, and that only one of them is poking up. They mistakenly think this might be a cause of a whole bunch of issues (as did I) - but actually - it's not a problem at all. I think these either broke really easily or were like this from factory (it's just the outer one), either way, if there are problems with your turntable then this isn't it. If neither of them pop up you *should* address it, but if the inner one is poking up and the outer one is down, don't worry about it - all functions of the table will still work normally.
  • There are a lot of adjustments that need to be done as per the service manual. You can get them from vinylengine with a free account, the QD33 one is here: https://www.vinylengine.com/library/technics/sl-qd33.shtml
  • Something confusing is that there are two adjustments performed through the same hole (under a rubber cap near where the tonearm enters the table). What happens is that when the tonearm is at rest, one screw is positioned under that hole, however when you move the tonearm onto the platter (as per instructions), it moves a different screw under that hole - hence two different adjustments. The other adjustments are straightforward and the manual is excellent - you have to set yourself up so you can work from underneath the table (without turning it upside down) though.
  • The entire system is very sensitive to the initial positioning / setup of the parts inside the tonearm positioning mechanism. If the start/stop light flashes when you try to use the turntable, it means there is an error in the initial setting of something in that mechanism. This part is a royal pain, but my advice is just be gentle when you mess around with it so you don't break anything. The arm should be able to move to the center of the record freely from its rest position and back if you've positioned things right, without feeling like it gets "spring loaded" at any point (before you power-on the table).
  • If everything works well but the start point or end point detections don't work, it's likely something to do with the initial setting of the plastic mechanisms described in the above point - particularly the plastic parts triggered by the large/small disc tabs on the platter.
  • There are some tiny switches in the record size detection mechanism (a triplet of black cable runs to these switch boards from memory), they are depressed at different extremes of operation. If all else fails you can unscrew these boards and check that pressing the switches causes the matching terminals to short (I used my meter in diode test mode). You don't have to desolder anything to test them. Mine were fine.
  • My knowledge of turntables is limited, but apparently the stock P-mount cartridge is decent (better than the cheapest replacements anyway), and you can just get a replacement stylus for it. Typing EPS30 or P30 stylus into ebay will get you going. I'm sure there are better cartridges if desired, but I'd replace the stylus on the original as a minimum - the stock one will have deteriorated damping rubber. The purple part just pulls off by hand, very easy.
  • The stock hinges suck and the perspex tabs that slot into them are fragile (and probably cracked) so be gentle + remove the lot to work on it, if still intact.
The main problem is the capacitors. The actual mechanisms and motor in these tables seem to be quite reliable if someone hasn't messed around with them already.

This table didn't work at all initially, then after moving things manually occasionally I could get the platter to spin and arm to move a bit but that stopped again. After recapping, everything worked again, however the initial record size detection didn't (arm would move all the way to the middle on start). Then, after pulling apart the arm mechanism and resetting everything carefully, everything works perfectly - including record size detection, start/end points, cueing, and even the repeat function (which is kinda cool!).

Picture of recapped boards (I just used spare parts I had lying around, including a mix of film caps for smaller values):
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(There's also some more caps to change under the control/button board visible in top left)

I also attached some pictures I saved from the internet of the various mechanisms that operate the arm - just in case people want to check for things like broken plastic tabs. These are not my pictures, I just used them to check for broken parts on the one I was working on (everything seemed to match).
 
I think I might be stuck at this step with a QD33 I just bought. I've tried to reassemble the mechanism as shown in the service manual (pictured) but after the first attempt to play a record it seems to jam and then I get the blinking light. It seems to want to work, so I'm not sure this is a capacitor issue. Might there me any additional insight as to how to align everything?

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This part is my problem - I'm ready to change the caps but don't want to to go through all that and then I break something in the arm mechanism.
The guide is great but I'm glad you put these two pics up. It'll be a start. My arm is spring-loaded to the armrest - not travelling freely horizontally
- Tried the typical restarts but just getting a "Kabonk" w every rotation. I'll play with it but if you have any tips, I'll be paying mind.
Hopefully this thread isn't TOO old !
 
I think I might be stuck at this step with a QD33 I just bought. I've tried to reassemble the mechanism as shown in the service manual (pictured) but after the first attempt to play a record it seems to jam and then I get the blinking light. It seems to want to work, so I'm not sure this is a capacitor issue. Might there me any additional insight as to how to align everything?
It turns out this was a capacitor issue. I replaced just the two 47UF 6.3V caps on the mainboard and that got it working again. The only other adjustment I had to make was to the auto return position... I do wonder if that might have been due to a voltage variance that might warrant replacing other capacitors. I did also buy replacements for the ones present on the power board.
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Just a quick message to acknowledge the "capactor fix" - and also to say " thank you" for this information!
Earlier this week, I noticed that the cueing wasn't working on my SL-QD22 (I bought this TT back in the 80s).
Although cueing wasn't working, it did still play a record... until I pressed "stop". It returned as expected but then the arm was stuck in the right endpoint. At that point it stopped working completely. (The cueing LED was flashing now as well)
I initially suspected a mechanical problem, but that was not the case. During my search I came across this forum, and after reading about the capacitors, I replaced all elco's with fresh ones. That fixed it!
I am very happy I found this information. So: thank you!
 
Yet another testimonial.

I purchased my SL-QD33 in the late 80's or early 90's and it worked well for many years. About five years ago, it stopped playing in an automated way and I had to manually lift the tone arm onto and off of albums. Not too bad and I just accepted the reduced functionality.

Then, about two weeks ago, the tone arm lifted itself off of an album in the middle of a song, returned to the rest position and from that point on the start/stop light would flash, the tone arm wouldn't move and the platter wouldn't turn.

I happened upon this site and decided to go the capacitor route. I went ahead and replaced all 15 electrolytic TK capacitors on the three boards and refitted the mechanism board according to the instruction in the service manual and now all is good. All functions have returned and the turntable is like new.

Thanks to @zaibatsu for the first post that did a great job of explaining what might be going on and the other posters on this thread for some additional insight.
 
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Another successful repair here, my SL-QD33 in my office is now fully functioning again. Thank you to all the contributors. I didn't notice that two of the caps are non-polar, but the old ones measured fine, so we're good to go.
 
I had the same problem with the SL QD33. Power on and then start/stop was flashing. I checked all the measuring points and the mechanical part from the excellent service manual. Everthing was right. At least I have changed 3 capacitator. The two 47uF and the 2200 from the main switch board. Works like a new one again
 
Just to add to the list of potential issues with the flashing start/stop light, see my recent post here: https://audiokarma.org/forums/index...cs-sl-qd33-flashing-start-stop-light.1038826/

My problem was that the tone arm would move sideways by a random amount when the table was turned on, and there was a lot of resistance in it rather than being able to move it freely. In fact the only way I could move the arm (whether powered on our not) was to turn the worm gear.
What fixed it for me was to reset the mechanism to the "cue" position as detailed near the start of the service manual.

Just wondering though: is it worth the hassle preemptively replacing the capacitors? How many 47uf caps are there, and what type would I need?
 
i recently went through my QD-33 to get an idea of which capacitors i needed. I came up with a list of 10, all TK caps.

6.3v 47uf x4
10v 220uf
16v 47uf
50v 1uf
25v 2200uf
16v 22uf
50v 2.2uf

I saw 4 on the motor board, 2 on the control board, and 4 on the power board. Is this all of them or am i missing some?

Before opening it up the auto start stop and cueing functions didn’t work. I could manually start it by moving the tone arm. After i put it all back together, the tone arm now feels spring loaded against the stop and none of the buttons are responsive. Hopefully replacing the caps will get it back in working order.
 
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Just to follow up my post from a couple of months ago, the problem returned a couple of weeks later, and despite going through the service manual's reset procedure a dozen times I couldn't get it to work again.
In the end I took a chance and replaced the two caps on the control board, and the turntable has worked faultlessly since! Certainly worth a try before you go to the hassle of replacing them on the other two boards as well.
 
I recapped my QD33 but it still doesn’t want to work. i went through and replaced all 15 caps including the non TK caps.

The Repeat and Cue buttons indicator lights work fine but none of the functions seem to actually do anything. Pressing start/stop turns the indicator light on but the turntable doesn’t start spinning and the tone arm doesn’t move. when i press the start/stop again the button freezes up and stops responding. it seems like none of the automated functions work at all.

I’m not entirely sure where to go from here or what else to check.
 
I recapped my QD33 but it still doesn’t want to work. i went through and replaced all 15 caps including the non TK caps.

The Repeat and Cue buttons indicator lights work fine but none of the functions seem to actually do anything. Pressing start/stop turns the indicator light on but the turntable doesn’t start spinning and the tone arm doesn’t move. when i press the start/stop again the button freezes up and stops responding. it seems like none of the automated functions work at all.

I’m not entirely sure where to go from here or what else to check.
The next step is to check the voltages on IC301. Failure in that IC also seems common, and the only solution is a donor turntable.
 
The next step is to check the voltages on IC301. Failure in that IC also seems common, and the only solution is a donor turntable.
I’m not entirely sure what ended up being the problem but testing the tonearm motor by putting power directly to it seems to have brought the table back to life. Everything works fine now.

Shoutout to this thread for being so informative on the recap process.
 
Mine had a problem with the tone arm rest, it would not go down so i removed the bottom cover and applied a couple of drops of light oil to the tone arm rest and worked the rod/shaft up and down about 20X and that did the trick i also replaced ALL the caps while i was in there and cleaned the old grease and applied new lithium grease.
The only issue i have not been able to resolve is that when i press play there is a rumble Prrrrt sound coming from the tone arm base but as soon as the tone arm lifts the sound stops and it plays the record without any problems and all functions work.
I anyone has had this issue before let me know what i should check.
Hi. I just took my QD33 out of storage to participate in vinyl once again. The platterimage.jpg rotates perfectly, according to the calibration strobe. The turntable is totally silent, I can't hear a peep as it rotates. When pressing the "Start/Stop" button, the tonearm lifts, moves over to the beginning of the record (just where it should, right above the dead wax).

But but but, and this is a big but, the arm doesn't lower itself onto the record, instead, it sits in place above the dead wax as the record spins.

I read the manual, but there isn't any troubleshooting related to tonearm lowering, and there's no suggestion of a fix. Maybe it's a weighting problem and an adjustment to the counterweight needs to be made. You'd think the manual might advise on to warm adjustments. Not really. Signed, SoCloseButSoFar
 
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I have successfully done many of these with the cap replacement. Now I have 3 that have the same problem, the tonearm does not return at the end of the record. Attempting the adjustments per service manual, and the TP4 voltage stays at 11v when tone arm moves. Manual says it should move to 8 volts at middle, and then adjust vr1 ETC. These 3 with the same problem the 11 V does not vary with the tone arm movement . Any suggestions to look for next?
Hello petersargent, have you ever found a solution to this problem of the tonearm not returning at the end of the record? I've replaced caps on main power PCB and switch PCB (the caps I removed were all near nominal). Everything else works, auto-start, cueing, stop, etc. One difference with what you mentioned is that I'm seeing around 4.75V from tone rest almost the entire distance until near the center of the turntable where it lowers. Also, when I put it in test mode, the 45 LED lights up. Obviously I can't make adjustments to current, etc. if I don't see 8V anywhere. I can't find a mechanical issue. I haven't replaced capacitors on the PCB driving the table yet.
Thanks,
Mark
 
This is a useful thread - having obtained a SL-QD33 that did nothing but flash its LEDs, I've replaced all the TK caps and this got it (mostly) working.

However the end-side (auto return) sensing still wasn't working. As with petersargent and cygnusbook2, I followed the Test Mode instructions in the service manual, and, like the former, found the test voltage only varied between 11V and 11.3V as the arm was moved from one extreme to the other, and never approached the 8V required for the first Current Adjustment step.

But I found the answer - the problem was that the 'shutter plate adjusting screw' was at an extreme position.

The trick seems to be (for this specific problem of being unable to hit 8V only) to modify the Current Adjustment service manual section as follows, amending its step 3:
  1. Set the microcomputer to Test Mode 1
  2. Connect DC voltmeter to PTR+ and GND- of PCB.
  3. Move the tonearm to the 65 position of the turntable mat, then turn the shutter plate adjusting screw in the adjusting hole of the arm base until the reading of the DC voltmeter is 8V±0.005V
  4. Adjust VR402 so that cueing LED lights up.
  5. After the LED lights up, be sure to turn off the power switch.
I think for this step the position of the arm isn't crucial (but it needs to be at '65' to access the screw) - it is just important that 8V is used when adjusting current.

Then continue with the "8V" and "4V" adjustments.

Note that the "shutter plate adjusting screw" is more of a slotted piece of plastic expecting a very wide flat blade - take a look at it with a torch before turning - and remember it's only visible through the hole when the arm is at 65 - don't confuse it with the other screw visible when the arm is on the rest!

Anyway that worked for me and the auto-return seems flawless now.

Hope that helps! (although make the adjustment at your own risk!)
 
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I had to repair one of these recently, and while searching for answers, there were ~20 threads of people wondering why the platter stopped spinning / tonearm stopped moving, or things would work intermittently. Many threads ended with no conclusion, so I suspect many tables were binned.

I had some time this morning to finish it off and thought I'd share, in case someone does a search in the future.

These points will likely apply to similar Technics turntables like the SL-QD22, SL-BD33, SL-BD20, etc, not just the SL-QD33. It's just a budget table but apparently decent enough.

View attachment 977650

  • The first major problem is that Technics cheaped out and used Toshin Kogyo capacitors in these (they say TK on them). The particular ones that were bad were ALL the 47uF ones in my unit, down to 10uF or worse in some cases. I took the opportunity to replace them all, but if you are on a budget, I'd recommend replacing all the TK branded ones at least. Check all boards (function button board, power supply board, motor board). Generally the Panasonic/Matsushita (triangle logo) are fine. This will generally restore all electronic function, particularly the platter and tonearm either completely not working or only working intermittently.
  • I replaced the main PSU capacitor (2200uF axial) with a slightly higher value 2700uF Panasonic FM radial, you can do whatever you want here - just make sure it physically fits. This one *just* cleared when mounted upright.
  • The second "issue" most people notice is that the record size detection "prongs" that poke out of the platter are amiss, and that only one of them is poking up. They mistakenly think this might be a cause of a whole bunch of issues (as did I) - but actually - it's not a problem at all. I think these either broke really easily or were like this from factory (it's just the outer one), either way, if there are problems with your turntable then this isn't it. If neither of them pop up you *should* address it, but if the inner one is poking up and the outer one is down, don't worry about it - all functions of the table will still work normally.
  • There are a lot of adjustments that need to be done as per the service manual. You can get them from vinylengine with a free account, the QD33 one is here: https://www.vinylengine.com/library/technics/sl-qd33.shtml
  • Something confusing is that there are two adjustments performed through the same hole (under a rubber cap near where the tonearm enters the table). What happens is that when the tonearm is at rest, one screw is positioned under that hole, however when you move the tonearm onto the platter (as per instructions), it moves a different screw under that hole - hence two different adjustments. The other adjustments are straightforward and the manual is excellent - you have to set yourself up so you can work from underneath the table (without turning it upside down) though.
  • The entire system is very sensitive to the initial positioning / setup of the parts inside the tonearm positioning mechanism. If the start/stop light flashes when you try to use the turntable, it means there is an error in the initial setting of something in that mechanism. This part is a royal pain, but my advice is just be gentle when you mess around with it so you don't break anything. The arm should be able to move to the center of the record freely from its rest position and back if you've positioned things right, without feeling like it gets "spring loaded" at any point (before you power-on the table).
  • If everything works well but the start point or end point detections don't work, it's likely something to do with the initial setting of the plastic mechanisms described in the above point - particularly the plastic parts triggered by the large/small disc tabs on the platter.
  • There are some tiny switches in the record size detection mechanism (a triplet of black cable runs to these switch boards from memory), they are depressed at different extremes of operation. If all else fails you can unscrew these boards and check that pressing the switches causes the matching terminals to short (I used my meter in diode test mode). You don't have to desolder anything to test them. Mine were fine.
  • My knowledge of turntables is limited, but apparently the stock P-mount cartridge is decent (better than the cheapest replacements anyway), and you can just get a replacement stylus for it. Typing EPS30 or P30 stylus into ebay will get you going. I'm sure there are better cartridges if desired, but I'd replace the stylus on the original as a minimum - the stock one will have deteriorated damping rubber. The purple part just pulls off by hand, very easy.
  • The stock hinges suck and the perspex tabs that slot into them are fragile (and probably cracked) so be gentle + remove the lot to work on it, if still intact.
The main problem is the capacitors. The actual mechanisms and motor in these tables seem to be quite reliable if someone hasn't messed around with them already.

This table didn't work at all initially, then after moving things manually occasionally I could get the platter to spin and arm to move a bit but that stopped again. After recapping, everything worked again, however the initial record size detection didn't (arm would move all the way to the middle on start). Then, after pulling apart the arm mechanism and resetting everything carefully, everything works perfectly - including record size detection, start/end points, cueing, and even the repeat function (which is kinda cool!).

Picture of recapped boards (I just used spare parts I had lying around, including a mix of film caps for smaller values):
View attachment 977645
(There's also some more caps to change under the control/button board visible in top left)

I also attached some pictures I saved from the internet of the various mechanisms that operate the arm - just in case people want to check for things like broken plastic tabs. These are not my pictures, I just used them to check for broken parts on the one I was working on (everything seemed to match).
Thanks for your guidance.
I fixed the "cue stuck up" problem on my turntable by replacing the two 47uF electrolytics on logic board.
Everything now working as it did 35 years ago.
 
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