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Technics SL1300 mk1 upgrade or replace?

Waveform101

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Hey all, so I’ve had my Technics SL1300 for many years. She’s in great condition and is fitted with a denon dl110.
I am however toying with the idea of either a serious cart upgrade or perhaps replace the 1300 completely, (by that I mean build a second system with it in the bedroom). I’m unsure whether this deck would do an expensive cart justice tho? I have circa £1k to spend. That of course can rapidly spiral lol. I’ve read that MC carts get really interesting at the £700 - £1000 bracket.
Main reason is I’ve recently upgraded the amp to a Yamaha A-S1100 and the speakers to Revolution Tannoy xt6f. I want to make sure I’m getting the best as input stage to these puppies.
The wildcard option is either a Rega RP6 exact or Clearaudio Concept as replacements. This means going to the dark side of MM mind you. That said I’m 41 and ex military, this frequencies are long gone! (Psychacoustics is a whole different discussion lol). Also not keen on an outboard phono amp. The Yamaha one seems pretty damn good to me!
The advice here is good so I’m open to any of it!
 
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Pair it up with a Technics SA-5350. Is the stylus worn out?
Not at all, also just bought the Yamaha A-S1100 and the Tannoys recently hence mulling over whether to replace the 1300 or put a “better” cart on it. I have some money to burn you see. :)
That old technics looks nice!
 
I upgraded from the DL-110 to a Dynavector DV10x5 on my 1300 Mk 2. Pretty much stopped me dead in my tracks for lusting after a VPI Prime ...
That’s excellent to know! This cart is in my shortlist so it’s good to hear a first hand recommendation. Cheers fella....
Also good to hear a fellow DL110 owners comparison. It’s a great cart but I fear the amp/speaker upgrade leaves it lagging behind a bit
 
That’s excellent to know! This cart is in my shortlist so it’s good to hear a first hand recommendation. Cheers fella....
Also good to hear a fellow DL110 owners comparison. It’s a great cart but I fear the amp/speaker upgrade leaves it lagging behind a bit
I really enjoyed my time with the Denon. The DV is just that much more enjoyable.
 
I hear you! The Dynavector has quite an output I see, substantially more than the trusty old denon. I assume you run it through the MM stage?
Yes, I'm using the MM input with the DV. My C200 has a super nice MC stage with a very high end Ortofon SUT on-board (like, wound with silver mu wire . . . ). According to Ortofon, the Cadenza Black, Windfield, and AC95 are the three cartridges that would perform best with that. So, the Cadenza Black has been on my radar as a potential upgrade . . . but then I sit down and listen to the DV10x5 and wonder if I've lost my mind.
 
Yes, I'm using the MM input with the DV. My C200 has a super nice MC stage with a very high end Ortofon SUT on-board (like, wound with silver mu wire . . . ). According to Ortofon, the Cadenza Black, Windfield, and AC95 are the three cartridges that would perform best with that. So, the Cadenza Black has been on my radar as a potential upgrade . . . but then I sit down and listen to the DV10x5 and wonder if I've lost my mind.
Haha yeah there is always an upgrade path available regardless of what we do! I’m looking for a good price on the DV now, think I’ll treat myself to a new headshell to go with it also :)
 
IMO, it's pretty darn hard to upgrade from a Technics SL-1300 MK 1.

For one, the MK II series has circuit componentry that *will fail* eventually, so if you're looking to upgrade in that direction, your best option within Technics is to find a SL1200 MK something, as those were built with incredible build quality whereas the consumer MKII's not so much. Oh, they're fine decks when they're working, but one of the beautiful things about your SL-1300 is that it works wonderfully today, and it will likely work wonderfully 20 years from now.

New turntables...you have to get up into a very significant investment before you can better the 1300. Used turntables, I'd only suggest a handful of them...not because there aren't some that marginally perform better, but there are darn few that perform better AND are as durable, well-built and will have the longevity that your SL-1300 has.

I would focus on things like your cartridge, isolation and anything you can do to improve your situation in those areas.
 
Waveform I'll cast my lot with the others in that you will get a lot more milage (better SQ) out of a cartridge upgrade than going for another table that might not fit your vintage approach.
 
There is only one bad thing about the 1500, and that is that it's not spring mounted and the "plinth" rings a bit. However, that can be totally fixed by opening it up and gluing bitumen sheets carefully cut in fitting pieces inside the top cover and the sides. Or use modelling clay, as many have done. I wouldn't risk using the latter as I am not sure how it will behave when it's dry - I fear it will ring even more, like a ceramic or porcelain pot does.

The tonearms on these 1x00 turntables are very under rated. The geometry is good and vertical and lateral friction is among the best, better than most well respected tonearms. The mass is not low so a high compliance cartridge, like a Shure V15III or IV would not be ideal. But they make a great platform for an average compliance MC cartridge.

The 1500 is FG servo rather than quartz lock but it has pich control and integrated stroboscope on the platter and it's not a big deal to fix the pitch 2-3 times a month if needed. A weak point is the pots on the plinth and the trimmers under the platter, they would need some cleaning after 30-40 years but once that is done, all is well. Having said that, w&f is non existent, rumble below the record surface noise and the DD motor has plenty of torque and offers decades of trouble free operation. The only thing it doesn't have and is not just marketing gimmick is height adjustment. So if you use a large cart, you may end up with the wrong tracking angle and that does sound different and worse when it's wrong.

On mine, I have replaced the feet with modified feet from an SL-1200MkII. They are not spring loaded but more like cushioned and that helps a lot. Totally different behavior.

And it looks good as well.

However, my favorite TT from that Technics range is the SL-1310MkII, the black version. It doesn't have the visible strobe platter (very eighties and "passe" for my taste) and instead it gives you the strobe checker under the platter through a glass prism. And pitch control is by -/+ switches with digital read-out - I kinda like that for a vintage TT. The weak spot of those TTs is the tonearm lift and a plastic part that cracks. A major issue a few years ago but a no issue now in the 3D printing days as a good replacement part (in it's version 2) is available cheaply. And it has a tonearm height adjustment which is a step up from the first version.

If you want the best in practical terms, performance and flexibility, the 1600MkII (or 1700 or 1800) are even better as they have chassis - sub chassis - with suspension, the best tonearm height adjustment system (as found on the SL-1200MkII and later) which can be adjusted even while playing a record - which is the best way to judge by ear - and a much better tonearm.

I won't go into other options for Turntables from other manufacturers or this would not be a post but a book. But the Revox B791 or B795 is my second most loved TT, even though it is arguably the most difficult TT (tonearm) to replace a cartridge. Unless you mount a P-mount socket and mount P-mount carts on it.

And about the cartridge, I am a huge fan of Ortofon MC carts. Got my first ever MC cart to listen to with a Revox B791, complete with an Ortofon step up transformer (T-30) for a price that was half for what the transformer alone goes for in these days. The cart was an MC20MkII. That combo brought me back to analog 10 years ago and made me expand my LP collection for 100 to around 1500 and my TT collection from 1 to 20. So someone could argue "stay away from these".

I sourced several different Ortofon MC carts (MC10, MC25, MC20) with various styli versions and they all, even the MC10, share a common virtue: A clear, balanced, relaxed and sweet sound. Not a good match if you want to listen to Thin Lizzy or Rory Gallagher but great for classical music, opera, acoustic jazz and folk. It was like listening to music without distortion for the first time.

An Ortofon OM20 that came as part of one of the turntables I purchased over the years sounded very very similar. Great for an MM cart. Made me add an OM40 stylus to my mental wish list.

And the DL110 I got with a Luxman PD121 with a Denon tonearm sounded just as great as the Ortofon MC carts. Perhaps a very little bit more restrained (for lack of a better word) in dynamics.

And what do I like to listen to with Rock music? My Stanton 681EEE is my favorite with a Stanton 500 used for worn LPs and 45s. 45s sound terrible with a better cart, especially the worn ones.
 
IMO, it's pretty darn hard to upgrade from a Technics SL-1300 MK 1.

For one, the MK II series has circuit componentry that *will fail* eventually, so if you're looking to upgrade in that direction, your best option within Technics is to find a SL1200 MK something, as those were built with incredible build quality whereas the consumer MKII's not so much. Oh, they're fine decks when they're working, but one of the beautiful things about your SL-1300 is that it works wonderfully today, and it will likely work wonderfully 20 years from now.

New turntables...you have to get up into a very significant investment before you can better the 1300. Used turntables, I'd only suggest a handful of them...not because there aren't some that marginally perform better, but there are darn few that perform better AND are as durable, well-built and will have the longevity that your SL-1300 has.

I would focus on things like your cartridge, isolation and anything you can do to improve your situation in those areas.
Great to get such praise for it! It’s older than me and I can still tune my guitar to records from it so it’s certainly not dropped a beat over the years. I think it’s clearly smart to give it an overhaul and upgrade the cart now that the rest of the system is so good. Bizarrely I’ve just realised I’ve had the overhang set to 58mm for the past year, reading up I see it actually supposed to be 52mm according the technics gods, I don’t know where the hell I got 58 from!
 
Waveform I'll cast my lot with the others in that you will get a lot more milage (better SQ) out of a cartridge upgrade than going for another table that might not fit your vintage approach.
It’s looking that way, the shiny, hassle free, easy out of a new TT is looking less appealing. I feel the DV10x5 could be the new upgrade with a fresh headshell so I can swap the denon back on when drunk friends are round lol.
 
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There is only one bad thing about the 1500, and that is that it's not spring mounted and the "plinth" rings a bit. However, that can be totally fixed by opening it up and gluing bitumen sheets carefully cut in fitting pieces inside the top cover and the sides. Or use modelling clay, as many have done. I wouldn't risk using the latter as I am not sure how it will behave when it's dry - I fear it will ring even more, like a ceramic or porcelain pot does.

The tonearms on these 1x00 turntables are very under rated. The geometry is good and vertical and lateral friction is among the best, better than most well respected tonearms. The mass is not low so a high compliance cartridge, like a Shure V15III or IV would not be ideal. But they make a great platform for an average compliance MC cartridge.

The 1500 is FG servo rather than quartz lock but it has pich control and integrated stroboscope on the platter and it's not a big deal to fix the pitch 2-3 times a month if needed. A weak point is the pots on the plinth and the trimmers under the platter, they would need some cleaning after 30-40 years but once that is done, all is well. Having said that, w&f is non existent, rumble below the record surface noise and the DD motor has plenty of torque and offers decades of trouble free operation. The only thing it doesn't have and is not just marketing gimmick is height adjustment. So if you use a large cart, you may end up with the wrong tracking angle and that does sound different and worse when it's wrong.

On mine, I have replaced the feet with modified feet from an SL-1200MkII. They are not spring loaded but more like cushioned and that helps a lot. Totally different behavior.

And it looks good as well.

However, my favorite TT from that Technics range is the SL-1310MkII, the black version. It doesn't have the visible strobe platter (very eighties and "passe" for my taste) and instead it gives you the strobe checker under the platter through a glass prism. And pitch control is by -/+ switches with digital read-out - I kinda like that for a vintage TT. The weak spot of those TTs is the tonearm lift and a plastic part that cracks. A major issue a few years ago but a no issue now in the 3D printing days as a good replacement part (in it's version 2) is available cheaply. And it has a tonearm height adjustment which is a step up from the first version.

If you want the best in practical terms, performance and flexibility, the 1600MkII (or 1700 or 1800) are even better as they have chassis - sub chassis - with suspension, the best tonearm height adjustment system (as found on the SL-1200MkII and later) which can be adjusted even while playing a record - which is the best way to judge by ear - and a much better tonearm.

I won't go into other options for Turntables from other manufacturers or this would not be a post but a book. But the Revox B791 or B795 is my second most loved TT, even though it is arguably the most difficult TT (tonearm) to replace a cartridge. Unless you mount a P-mount socket and mount P-mount carts on it.

And about the cartridge, I am a huge fan of Ortofon MC carts. Got my first ever MC cart to listen to with a Revox B791, complete with an Ortofon step up transformer (T-30) for a price that was half for what the transformer alone goes for in these days. The cart was an MC20MkII. That combo brought me back to analog 10 years ago and made me expand my LP collection for 100 to around 1500 and my TT collection from 1 to 20. So someone could argue "stay away from these".

I sourced several different Ortofon MC carts (MC10, MC25, MC20) with various styli versions and they all, even the MC10, share a common virtue: A clear, balanced, relaxed and sweet sound. Not a good match if you want to listen to Thin Lizzy or Rory Gallagher but great for classical music, opera, acoustic jazz and folk. It was like listening to music without distortion for the first time.

An Ortofon OM20 that came as part of one of the turntables I purchased over the years sounded very very similar. Great for an MM cart. Made me add an OM40 stylus to my mental wish list.

And the DL110 I got with a Luxman PD121 with a Denon tonearm sounded just as great as the Ortofon MC carts. Perhaps a very little bit more restrained (for lack of a better word) in dynamics.

And what do I like to listen to with Rock music? My Stanton 681EEE is my favorite with a Stanton 500 used for worn LPs and 45s. 45s sound terrible with a better cart, especially the worn ones.
That’s a lot of info! Cheers!! The upgrade project has started on the 1300 in earnest. And will be cheaper than new TT!
 
All excellent replies and info folks, DV10x5 and new headshell in the list. And some low profile mats to shim up and down for my lack of VTA adjustment. Anyone got any opinions on headshells? I found a generic replacement one on amazon (link below) but I see others at much higher prices. Does it really make that much of a difference? It’s always had an ADC shell on it since I’ve had it. No problems with it but I’d like a second for quick cart changes.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Titanium-Headshell-Cartridge-connectors-Turntable/dp/B00KY6NEBC
 
If your investing in a cartridge upgrade the last thing you want to do is cheap out on a questionable quality generic cartridge. At a minimum I would purchase an original Technics OEM factory SL-1300 headshell that are readily available on Ebay, Hifido etc and pay less for it than that generic junk. Forget about the "Technics style" headshells these are cheap knockoffs of questionable quality.
 
If your investing in a cartridge upgrade the last thing you want to do is cheap out on a questionable quality generic cartridge. At a minimum I would purchase an original Technics OEM factory SL-1300 headshell that are readily available on Ebay, Hifido etc and pay less for it than that generic junk. Forget about the "Technics style" headshells these are cheap knockoffs of questionable quality.
Good man ta, I did think it looked a bit “bling” and was struggling to find genuine technics one. I’ll aim off the amazon shitter :)
 
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