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The curious case of TD 135 MK2 woofer flutter

cmcguire

Active Member
I'm hoping someone will have some experience with this issue. I very recently overhauled a somewhat tampered with TD 135 and made a modest sized slate plinth for it to nest in. The plinth weighs about 30 lbs and is a slate-plywood-slate sandwich which I have resting on abut 20 lbs of ceramic tile that's sitting on a barely inflated inner tube. Even with all this weight and isolation I'm getting a very audible low frequency rumble that seems to be caused by acoustic feedback from my top ported speakers. I have a small living room so the speakers are only about four feet from the turntable and are level with it. I was thinking of getting a subsonic filter but I recently got a screamin' deal on a very nice Technics SL 1600 mk2 and instaled the same cartridge, an Ortofon 2M Bronze on it. Guess what? There's no speaker flutter! No subsonic rumble at all!

Now I'm thinking there could be a few issues with this; the Technics being a suspended design could definitely be a factor but the plinth/inner tube setup should really take care of a lot of vibration from the floor and speakers on the Thorens TD 135. This has led me to beleive the metal chassis of the 135 could be resonating and causing feedback. Maybe bolting it to the plinth would take care of this? I'd have to modify the plinth design somewhat but it's definitely doable. I'm also wondering whether I'm experiencing a tonearm-cartridge mismatch. The table is equipped with the simple yet a little clunky TP 14. To tell you the truth, I never really understood the nuances of matching cartridges with tonearms so I admit that this might very well be the case.

As a side note, I really love the old 135 but am really enjoying the simplicity of the Technics table! It just kind of does what it's asked to perfectly every time. It's nice after spending almost 100 hours to get the other setup working the way I'd (almost) like it to. Dont get me wrong- the time spent on the the table was totally worth it!
 
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Are you using mushrooms on your TD135 Mk2? Maybe post a couple of pics of the Thorens setup and info about how it was tampered with first? I have a TD135 Mk2 (stock) and a Mk1 (totally rebuilt) and I've not had such problems.

I find that idlers prefer a lighter top plate that is isolated from a heavier plinth by something like squash balls. A solid plinth can rumble.
 
Are you using mushrooms on your TD135 Mk2? Maybe post a couple of pics of the Thorens setup and info about how it was tampered with first? I have a TD135 Mk2 (stock) and a Mk1 (totally rebuilt) and I've not had such problems.

I find that idlers prefer a lighter top plate that is isolated from a heavier plinth by something like squash balls. A solid plinth can rumble.
Thanks, I'll add some pics this weekend. Great suggestion about the mushrooms but it is currently resting on some thick rubber washers as I found the mushrooms elevated the top plate too much and did nothing to decrease rumble either. It was tampered with at one time; someone had crudely added a red strobe light and massive on/off switch but I've brought it back to stock using autobody techniques. The motor has been completely overhaued and runs like a top. I'm getting no internal rumble at all so I can safely rule this out. I'm going to see if switching to a non ported set of speakers helps as I don't remember my sealed Tannoys causing this issue at all.
 
TBH, I've never used mushrooms with mine. I'm using KEF 104/2 speakers with the Mk1 and Xavian (rear ported bookshelf) speakers with the Mk2. The latter is on a solid oak plinth with no other damping, running into a Scott 222C phono stage.
 
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