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"The Eagle's Nest" - Hitler's Kehlsteinhaus - completely destroyed by arson

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Hitlers teahouse - Martin Bormann's gift for Hitler on occasion of this 50th Birthday in 1939 - has been destroyed last Friday by a 33 years old arsonist with mental issues.

This historical place was a symbol for the American army on the defeat of the Nazi regime. In 1949 the Americans gave the building back to Bavaria, it is located near Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian alps. Since 1952 it was a restaurant and also run a memorial referring to the dark history of the location.

Millions and millions of tourists from all over the world visited the Eagle's Nest in the last decades which has become now itself history.

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American troops at the Eagle's Nest in 1945

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lini said:
Oh, well - at least Innenminister Herrmann said, that they are thinking about rebuilding it, as they could hardly leave a ruin up there. But while I'd agree with the latter, I wonder, whether it wouldn't be more appropriate to build something new.

Greetings from Muniich!

Manfred / lini
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I've been there a couple times- great view, but I'd tear the Nazi relic down and build something new...
 
I understand the instinct to tear it down and replace it with something new.

I also think of the old adage: "Those who forget history, are doomed to repeat it". Having it as a reminder of what COULD happen, might well act as a preventative measure against it happening again...

In a sense- having the building there, is/was a substantial rebuttal to those people who would revise, deny or whitewash history for their own purposes. We've seen such people arise many times in human history... and the end result is usually never good.

If nothing else, there should be a very substantial memorial/marker there, so that the significance of the site, and the horrors that were planned there, won't be forgotten by future generations.

We have such an example of such a place in my own state in the USA- Andersonville prison, in middle Georgia, where unthinkable atrocities were committed against prisoners-of-war during the American Civil War. It would have been easy to just bulldoze the place over and try and forget what happened there- but a conscious choice was made to preserve at least a substantial part of it, as a symbol of the human costs of war...

Regards,
Gordon.
 
Having the getaway of Hitler preserved and turned into a restaurant is the height of poor taste. I wonder what ovens they used. It should be torn down and plaques installed to cover it's history in the horrors that were planned there.
 
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GordonW said:
(...) I also think of the old adage: "Those who forget history, are doomed to repeat it". Having it as a reminder of what COULD happen, might well act as a preventative measure against it happening again...

In a sense- having the building there, is/was a substantial rebuttal to those people who would revise, deny or whitewash history for their own purposes. We've seen such people arise many times in human history... and the end result is usually never good. (...)
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I see your point. However, in my view for that purpose keeping places like for example the KZ (concentration camp) in Dachau would seem much more important. Whereas in case of the Kehlsteinhaus I'd rather feel inclined to say: "Good riddance!"

Greetings from Munich!

Manfred / lini
 
sanford12 said:
Having the getaway of Hitler preserved and turned into a restaurant is the height of poor taste. I wonder what ovens they used. It should be torn down and plaques installed to cover it's history in the horrors that were planned there.
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The Barking Monster was not quite often at the Kehlsteinhaus, mostly with guests for image purposes, because he did not feel safe enough up there.
 
My grandfather called that psycho the "one balled carpet chewer", my Grandmother called him "Herr Schekelgruber". On one of the tours we went on there in the late 1980's the tour guide said he was afraid of the tunnel and the tiny elevator, so he only went up there two maybe three times at most. I agree with Lini, keeping Dachau is extremely important, the Kehlsteinhaus not so much if at all.
 
Also keep in mind the perspective here. In the US we prefer to forget our uncomfortable bits of history. Other places are a little more honest with themselves about the bad things that have happened and take steps to prevent them from happening again.
 
krautmaster said:
My grandfather called that psycho the "one balled carpet chewer", my Grandmother called him "Herr Schekelgruber". On one of the tours we went on there in the late 1980's the tour guide said he was afraid of the tunnel and the tiny elevator, so he only went up there two maybe three times at most. I agree with Lini, keeping Dachau is extremely important, the Kehlsteinhaus not so much if at all.
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Hitler didn't like it, he didn't trust the elevator either and only went up there a few times.

There's video footage of the wedding of SS Gruppenfuhrer Hermann Fegelein and Eva Braun's sister that was held there. He was shot for desertion in the last days of the war.
 
gadget73 said:
Also keep in mind the perspective here. In the US we prefer to forget our uncomfortable bits of history. Other places are a little more honest with themselves about the bad things that have happened and take steps to prevent them from happening again.
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Some very valid points there, but I think this nest is a minor player in remembrance of the evils that took place.
 
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