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When I moved to Kentucky, one of the funniest things I saw was a Prius with a "Friends of Coal" license plate.

I confess that I don't fully "get" the "cheap electricity" claims for electrics. It takes a TON of electricity to push a couple of tons down the road.

On a side note, if half the country got electrics it would bring our electric grid to a standstill. It's not set up for it. Electrics only work if they remain a novelty.
 
Be aware that arguing over moderation is verbotten.
That said, MANY MANY posts have been deleted.

I left up the initial post about buying an electric car and that was the original poster's discussion.
I believe i deleted all the back and forth about Global warming and Tax subsidies.

Apparently I did not so I have just deleted more!

I AM at work and prefer to keep discussions in progress rather that kill every thread that offends someone's sensibilities.

if you just HAVE to argue further, no doubt one of the Mods
will be happy to give you a timeout until the New Year.
 
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We own a Prius and a Honda CRV. The Prius averages 44 mpg. The CRV 34 mpg. We live rural, so an electric car, unless it gets over 500 miles range is useless. The cost would have to be better than the 75,000 dollars the current 300 mile range cars cost. I can buy a lot of gas for 40,000 dollars. (Difference in cost)
 
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It isn't about my sensibilities. If you are going to moderate a debate you cant just delete one side of it. I dont care what side it was. I appreciate you doing the rest of the cleanup. If the site is going to be censored in this way, then all of it needs to be censored.
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Its a RULE on the site - no politics - I deleted what I saw on page 2 since that was the time I had at that moment.
You don't PAY me to be here, its volunteer work (as it is for ALL the mods here) and we don't always have an hour or 2 to just go through 50 odd posts and mindfully determine which can stay and which can't.
My preference is to try and keep discussions going on the site, instead of just blanket locking down whole threads when a couple folks break the rules.

Again, if you feel the need to argue this further, I'm sure one of the mods would be happy to give you a week or two off - but I gotta get back to my PAYING JOB!

Don't presume a conspiracy when I simply delete the angry rhetoric I see in front of me because I don't have the time to dedicate to a thorough analysis of yet ANOTHER iteration of the same damned argument that rages all around,
 
Don't mess with Heather, she'll bring the hammer of justice down :)

Electrics certainly have their place. For a lot of people it would work, shorter commutes and long (overnight) park times for recharge is a fairly typical usage pattern and precisely the market these things work in. It doesn't make so much sense if you do long highway runs. For occasional longer runs the hybrid will fill that gap, but I'm not sure it makes a ton of sense for cross-country travel given the small tank size. It really depends what you're doing. Honestly if there was a plug-in hybrid small pickup truck, I would give a whole lot of thought to making that my replacement DD.
 
I have not seen a Hybrid SUV I would own. I kinda hoped the Volt might expand and go that route, but ... no.
The KIA Niro is close - but, no spare tire? Plus, basically 1st year of production.
There is a non-US Honda HRV hybrid that looks cool, based somewhat on the Fit, but again, non US.
I'm currently driving a 2012 Honda Fit 5sp (gas).


And - silly me, it needs to be affordable - so - no TESLAs or similar ...
 
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Honestly, the more variety in cars, the better. It sure beats legions and legions of blandola sedans on the road.

And, there's nothing that says you can't own more than one car - a coworker of mine has a few - electric (Bolt) for short stuff, and a Subie for the snow, and a Transit van for his long weekends, where he camps out of the thing, or lugs a dirtbike around, or whatnot.

My next car will likely be another small hatch (Mazda 3), but I'd like to supplement it with a bro truck or bro Jeep of some sort. And I've got my harley for the summer months... Electric appeals to me but my driving cycles just are too far out for it to work..
 
I'm glad you like the car , but there is too much smoke and mirrors for me to even consider a Hybrid . enuff said
 
I would like to apologize for creating work for anyone who felt the need to censor my comments. The thread wasn’t started for the purpose of getting political.
 
Congrats to the OP. Hybrid with plug-in option seems to be best of both worlds. There is no question a hybrid that is off the electric grid gets better economy than gas. It's the pure plug in that has me scratching my head. It takes fuel of some sort to generate electricity. Transmission and charging losses have to be accounted for. So, what really is the mpg equivalent of plug-in? I am also not convinced by the carbon cost argument of plug-ins because the grid generates carbon. And batteries cost carbon to make and to recycle. Lots of it. Anyways, I have not seen a comprehensive study on these questions which goes to the heart of why these technologies exist.

While the OP is doing what he can with the environment, I am trying as well. Some of you may already know I drive a Crown Victoria. Before you snicker too much, it is a retired service vehicle so the carbon investment in manufacturing the car has already been made. I use as many second hand parts from the junkyard as possible and that includes tires. These parts already exist so it would be a waste not to use them up before they are melted down.
 
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I would like to apologize for creating work for anyone who felt the need to censor my comments. The thread wasn’t started for the purpose of getting political.
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I hope I did not imply you started anything other than the thread.
Other folks got disruptive and got shunted from the original discussion.

FWIW, I actually worked for DC area solar company Solarex in the mid-70.
Founded by 2 folks from Fairchild Semiconductor, Solarex had new design for manufacturing (then) higher efficiency solar panels on small and larger scale.
Eventually sold to Amoco and later renamed BP Solar, they have since gone out of business (around 2004).
 
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