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The Linn and Winding Road...

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All,

Since my last post in the "Linn for the Win" thread in July, a lot has happened. Sort of. That post relates to how I was gifted an OG (1974) Linn LP 12 with a Micro Seiki tonearm in desperate need of, shall we say, a "tune-up". The whole story, up to getting the Karousel bearing, attendant suspension parts, and a 45 RPM adaptor installed is over there if you crave background. Moving on...

I knew as soon as I put the adaptor on a time or two that was never going to work for me, and I would probably move on to the Lingo power supply. The table sounded GREAT at 33 1/3, but the whole point of the exercise was to get 45 RPM capability for my MoFi and other 12" 45's I've been collecting. Be careful when someone gives you something... it could end up costing a pretty penny. As this deck certainly did. No one was holding any weaponry to my head, but I got hooked on the (somewhat touchy subject, apparently) Linn Upgrade Path. Is it worth it, is the Linn actually a good turntable, the Technics - and other vintage tables - are soooo much better, and so forth.

Me, I pulled the trigger and ordered the Lingo - No Half Measures. The parts arrived and although it took much longer to install them than I thought it would given my previous experience, it was finally ready to go after a few weeks. Additional parts needed to be ordered, the shop got busy, and so on. When the fateful day arrived, I took the 45 minute trip to, and the hour-and-45-minute trip back from (Chicago area) the shop to and picked up the deck. I was assured it was playing and worked properly. I was very excited. Until I got it home and put a record on.

The Linn is a fussy little bit of kit and when working properly, starts like this:

- Depress the "On" switch.
- The Red LED glows brightly indicating searching for stable 33 1/3 RPM speed
- When the LED dims, BOOM, Bob's your Uncle, it's stable. VERY. Play your record. To move to 45,
- Press the switch again, The Green LED glows brightly, indicating searching for stable 45 RPM
- That LED dims, indicating stable 45 RPM. Play your record.

None of that happened when I turned mine on. I got a steady bright red glow and that was it. It played, but would not lock on or move to 45. Needless to say, I was pretty disappointed after waiting several weeks and spending an additional $2,500. My high-end shop seemed stymied but said they would look into it.

Enter the Internet.

There's quite a bit of information and opinion about the Linn on the Intertubes... and not much fence-sitting. A lot of folks seem to think its an overpriced copy of the venerable AR XA whose performance and measurements just can't stand up to "modern" turntables. A lot of folks like it. Some actually show you how it works. I started searching on why a Linn won't switch from 33 to 45 and came up with some interesting causes, including some direct from Linn. I stumbled on the secret in several YouTube videos which even my good friends at Quintessence Audio (who did the work) could not find. Seems they were asking the wrong questions. Everyone assumed something was broken. Nothing was broken, it was brand-new! Something was LEFT OUT in the assembly. It turns out that the constant, revolution-by-revolution monitoring and correction the Lingo performs is based on a tiny, stick-on piece of tape, really, that a sensor mounted near the pully reads as the platter goes 'round! Who knew??? Not the folks at Quintessence! I rigged a piece of foam on a roll of tape and stuck that sucker on the inside of the platter and VOILA, revolution Nirvana. I then looked in the bag of old parts (NEVER throw anything away, always ask for the old and left-over parts) and right there it was - a little peel-and-stick rectangle about 1/4" x 3/4". Off with the home-made, on with the "Factory" sticky, and it works perfectly.

As for performance...

This thing absolutely ROCKS! It "sounds" awesome! I've had the AR, Thorens, Technics, an Orbit U-Turn, and an Audio-Technica LP 7x, and this one blows them all away. I never thought a turntable was supposed to have a "sound", but this one seems to, and I love it. I really only took the project on because, A - it was "free" (Ha!), and B - it fits perfectly into my "vintage" system of McIntosh separates and the 3a's, all from the 70's as well.

As always, I welcome and look forward to any comments, criticisms, and observations on the Linn. It was up there to get it current, but money well-spent to get the sound and performance I was looking for.
 
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All,

Since my last post in the "Linn for the Win" thread in July, a lot has happened. Sort of. That post relates to how I was gifted an OG (1974) Linn LP 12 with a Micro Seiki tonearm in desperate need of, shall we say, a "tune-up". The whole story, up to getting the Karousel bearing, attendant suspension parts, and a 45 RPM adaptor installed is over there if you crave background. Moving on...

I knew as soon as I put the adaptor on a time or two that was never going to work for me, and I would probably move on to the Lingo power supply. The table sounded GREAT at 33 1/3, but the whole point of the exercise was to get 45 RPM capability for my MoFi and other 12" 45's I've been collecting. Be careful when someone gives you something... it could end up costing a pretty penny. As this deck certainly did. No one was holding any weaponry to my head, but I got hooked on the (somewhat touchy subject, apparently) Linn Upgrade Path. Is it worth it, is the Linn actually a good turntable, the Technics - and other vintage tables - are soooo much better, and so forth.

Me, I pulled the trigger and ordered the Lingo - No Half Measures. The parts arrived and although it took much longer to install them than I thought it would given my previous experience, it was finally ready to go after a few weeks. Additional parts needed to be ordered, the shop got busy, and so on. When the fateful day arrived, I took the 45 minute trip to, and the hour-and-45-minute trip back from (Chicago area) the shop to and picked up the deck. I was assured it was playing and worked properly. I was very excited. Until I got it home and put a record on.

The Linn is a fussy little bit of kit and when working properly, starts like this:

- Depress the "On" switch.
- The Red LED glows brightly indicating searching for stable 33 1/3 RPM speed
- When the LED dims, BOOM, Bob's your Uncle, it's stable. VERY. Play your record. To move to 45,
- Press the switch again, The Green LED glows brightly, indicating searching for stable 45 RPM
- That LED dims, indicating stable 45 RPM. Play your record.

None of that happened when I turned mine on. I got a steady bright red glow and that was it. It played, but would not lock on or move to 45. Needless to say, I was pretty disappointed after waiting several weeks and spending an additional $2,500. My high-end shop seemed stymied but said they would look into it.

Enter the Internet.

There's quite a bit of information and opinion about the Linn on the Intertubes... and not much fence-sitting. A lot of folks seem to think its an overpriced copy of the venerable AR XA whose performance and measurements just can't stand up to "modern" turntables. A lot of folks like it. Some actually show you how it works. I started searching on why a Linn won't switch from 33 to 45 and came up with some interesting causes, including some direct from Linn. I stumbled on the secret in several YouTube videos which even my good friends at Quintessence Audio (who did the work) could not find. Seems they were asking the wrong questions. Everyone assumed something was broken. Nothing was broken, it was brand-new! Something was LEFT OUT in the assembly. It turns out that the constant, revolution-by-revolution monitoring and correction the Lingo performs is based on a tiny, stick-on piece of tape, really, that a sensor mounted near the pully reads as the platter goes 'round! Who knew??? Not the folks at Quintessence! I rigged a piece of foam on a roll of tape and stuck that sucker on the inside of the platter and VOILA, revolution Nirvana. I then looked in the bag of old parts (NEVER throw anything away, always ask for the old and left-over parts) and right there it was - a little peel-and-stick rectangle about 1/4" x 3/4". Off with the home-made, on with the "Factory" sticky, and it works perfectly.

As for performance...

This thing absolutely ROCKS! It "sounds" awesome! I've had the AR, Thorens, Technics, an Orbit U-Turn, and an Audio-Technica LP 7x, and this one blows them all away. I never thought a turntable was supposed to have a "sound", but this one seems to, and I love it. I really only took the project on because, A - it was "free" (Ha!), and B - it fits perfectly into my "vintage" system of McIntosh separates and the 3a's, all from the 70's as well.

As always, I welcome and look forward to any comments, criticisms, and observations on the Linn. It was up there to get it current, but money well-spent to get the sound and performance I was looking for.
My friend was really hooked…I loved the sound…IMG_9747.jpeg
 
Something was LEFT OUT in the assembly. It turns out that the constant, revolution-by-revolution monitoring and correction the Lingo performs is based on a tiny, stick-on piece of tape, really, that a sensor mounted near the pully reads as the platter goes 'round! Who knew??? Not the folks at Quintessence!
It's funny the dealer couldn't figure this out. It's took google about 2 seconds. ;) I guess Linn didn't send them a Lingo 4 doc.

Great that you got your deck up and running. Please post a pic of your table.

jeff
 
Congrats! Please, when you get a breath, expand on what ROCKS about the particular Linn sound—especially compared to the other DD, Belt, and Idler TTs you’ve had. I’m curious. And I don’t think I’ve ever heard one.
 
I purchased a Linn Karik cdp new back in the 90's. A few years back it started skipping. Found out that Linn doesn't support it anymore. It's a great player that cost a few bucks. To say I'm disappointed in Linn as a company is an understatement. Too bad they decided to not take care of their customers because I really enjoyed the gear.
I hope your gear lasts a long time!
 
I purchased a Linn Karik cdp new back in the 90's. A few years back it started skipping. Found out that Linn doesn't support it anymore. It's a great player that cost a few bucks. To say I'm disappointed in Linn as a company is an understatement. Too bad they decided to not take care of their customers because I really enjoyed the gear.
I hope your gear lasts a long time!
I know what you mean my Wakonda caught an electrical spike & no support…miss that preamp…
 
. . . I knew as soon as I put the adaptor on a time or two that was never going to work for me, and I would probably move on to the Lingo power supply. The table sounded GREAT at 33 1/3, but the whole point of the exercise was to get 45 RPM capability for my MoFi and other 12" 45's I've been collecting. . . I pulled the trigger and ordered the Lingo - No Half Measures. . .

This thing absolutely ROCKS! It "sounds" awesome! I've had the AR, Thorens, Technics, an Orbit U-Turn, and an Audio-Technica LP 7x, and this one blows them all away. I never thought a turntable was supposed to have a "sound", but this one seems to, and I love it. I really only took the project on because, A - it was "free" (Ha!), and B - it fits perfectly into my "vintage" system of McIntosh separates and the 3a's, all from the 70's as well.

As always, I welcome and look forward to any comments, criticisms, and observations on the Linn. It was up there to get it current, but money well-spent to get the sound and performance I was looking for. [emphasis added]
Nice to hear that it all had a happy ending!

I know you said it sounded GREAT at 33 1/3 before the Lingo upgrade for 45 rpm convenience, but I'm curious how much, if any, improvement you hear even at 33 1/3 with the new motor and power supply.
 
So, to provide some response to those questions:

- I also found it pretty strange that the Dealer could not complete the assembly with the included platter "tab". Incomplete instruction from Linn? Being an all-male group - Didn't READ the instructions? Definitely did not fully test the deck because they would have seen (?) that it would not play or hold 45 RPM. Just lazy? It's a shame, really, as they have just become Linn's newest Chicago-area authorized dealer and apparently went through extensive vetting and then training on the unit. They are very nice people, were very helpful and anxious to work on such an OG deck right from the start, and charged no labor - just the cost of the bearing and power supply on two separate visits. But Jeeze, make sure it works just fine before it leaves the shop!
- The AR, Thorens, and Technics turntables were all from a "bygone era" of my Hi-Fi hobby/affliction/obsession. They were paired with a Dynaco Stereo 150 amp and PAT-4 pre-amp, as well as a Stereo 70 at times, along with some Technics separates. I has Dynaco A-25's, Large Advents (Double-Stack!), and my original AR3a's. Stanton 681 EEE, Sure V-15 Type III. Those components didn't really have the electronic processing capability or power that the Mac components provide. So while the tables were high-quality and cool, they had standard factory tone arms and cabling. Sounded fine, but more neutral than anything else. The U-Turn was a low-cost TT that got me back into vinyl, had an Ortofon 2M Blue, but would not support Moving Coil, which I wanted. It was also fine, but seemed neither to add or subtract. The Audio-Technica was a product of opportunity - I was going to go vintage but a brand new LP7 popped up at a price that couldn't be beat, so I bought that and added the Audio-Technica MC cartridge. That was a game-changer (along with the Pyxi Phone Stage). I was pretty happy with that, but then two months later, the Linn showed up. I thought Turntables just turned at the requisite speed, but the way the Linn seems to expand the soundstage, detail the specific instruments, pick up the upper bass notes, I agree with the idea that it somehow imparts a clarity and "specificness" to everything on the record, even my older 33's, that you can't ignore. It just seems to be there.
- Big improvement with the Lingo - it also included that new motor and all-new processing electronics. So everything was just tighter and more specific, with detail and nuance greatly enhanced. And of course, completely locked RPM at both speeds.

Maybe I'm just drinking the Linn Cool-Aid and it's in my head. But I don't think so. When my wife comments "I never heard THAT before", I don't think it's because she wasn't previously paying attention, those sounds just didn't seem to be there.
 
Thanks for the update! May the LINN have a long and untroubled life!

One question: Does "OG" mean original? I know the term loosely as "Old Graffiti." That makes me think of Stinky Felix. Though I don't think he was into vintage turntables. :idea:
 
Original Gangster!

It's usually applied to people... Old, old-fashioned people that do things the old-fashioned way. Highly respected and authentic. First used to refer to the Mustache Pete's of a certain early Sicilian society. Now, it can be used to describe someone or something who was first, best, or most authentic in a particular space.
 
Original Gangster!

It's usually applied to people... Old, old-fashioned people that do things the old-fashioned way. Highly respected and authentic. First used to refer to the Mustache Pete's of a certain early Sicilian society. Now, it can be used to describe someone or something who was first, best, or most authentic in a particular space.
Like Al Capone? :)


 
I remember a while back when a certain turntable called the Logic DM-101 with Datum tonearm was released....Linn had to up its game. Then came the Elite Cranfield Rock...yup..Linn had to up its game all over again. Still, it's good that they did. Glad you got yours sorted. Enjoy the music !
 
Congrats on getting everything working with the Linn and no doubt, things must sound really, really nice! I couldn't help noticing that your records are in a location where the baseboard heat register is also located......while they don't generally get so hot that they present much of an issue to the touch, although I've been surprised a time or two, I would be more than cautious about this arrangement as the constant heat to one area of the circumference of the records might leave you with an unhappy outcome (aka warp) over time.
 
Maybe I'm just drinking the Linn Cool-Aid and it's in my head. But I don't think so. When my wife comments "I never heard THAT before", I don't think it's because she wasn't previously paying attention, those sounds just didn't seem to be there.
I would certainly agree with that. In his 2020 budget cartridge survey for Stereophile, Herb Reichert mentioned his 1984 LP12/Valhalla with budget arm and cartridge, saying, "If you are old enough, you might remember that Linn Audio founder Ivor Tiefenbrun used to say that a cheap cartridge on a Sondek LP12 will sound better than an expensive cartridge on a budget deck. Well, I own a 1984 LP12 Valhalla with a Linn Basik LV X arm fitted with an AT95 cartridge, and I have tried a Koetsu Rosewood Signature on a Technics SL-1200 as well as that $699 Pioneer PLX-1000 turntable I reviewed in GD3. I can vouch completely for Ivor's claim."

That matched my experience in 1984 of hearing my Thorens TD 146, with any cartridge I asked the dealer to mount up, being handily outperformed by their demo model LP12 with Basik arm and Basik cartridge (which looked just like an AT95E except it had a .6 mil conical stylus). It took a year of saving, so I didn't have my own LP12 until 1985, but I can also relate to another of Reichert's comparisons when he said, "On the Linn LP12 and the Dr. Feickert Blackbird, the Audio-Technica AT95 sounded dramatically more controlled and powerful, more nuanced and sophisticated, than it ever did on the Pioneer PLX-1000 or that stoop-sale Technics SL-1200 I modified in GD9." And, of course, your LP12 with all its new parts should be well beyond his 1984 model.

In my own financial circumstances at the time (a $5 an hour, 30 hour per week job), the great appeal of the Linn was the amazing performance it gave me even with extraordinarily cheap cartridges and replacement styli; I was able to play vinyl as much as I wanted because I got fantastic sound from styli I could actually afford to wear out and replace regularly.

P. S. Reichert's main turntable for his budget cartridge survey was above-mentioned Dr. Feickert Blackbird turntable equipped with a 10.5" Schick tonearm. He wrote, "On the Blackbird-Schick deck, these so-called entry-level cartridges played recordings with a layered, three-dimensional complexity that I thought was impossible at these price points. Quiet musical passages were not only quieter; they were filled with magic little details that got noised over, dulled over, or disappeared entirely on the Pioneer and Technics 'tables. . . What I learned from this unusual investigation is that the difference between a $100 cartridge and a $10,000 cartridge is not nearly as big as I previously imagined. Also, the difference between a $1000 turntable and a $10,000 turntable is much greater than I thought it was."
 
Congratulations on getting the Linn up and running.
One of the most influential things you should do is mount your table like @red 111 in post #2.
Mount the brackets to the wall studs, wall board anchors are not the way to go.
Get a thin, lite weight piece of wood and secure it to the brackets.
Linn has been banging the drum on this since the earliest days.
That heavy table with records isn’t helping anything.
Happy listening. I think I’ll spin mine tonight!
James
 
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