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The new ST70s

Oh, yeah... sorry about that, Kegger.

I spent a couple days corresponding with Kevin @ Dynakitparts.com, and everything's fine.
Apparently, two of the four Electro-Harmonix 6CA7s I got had their, um, I guess glowing filaments (I need to look at exploded diagrams of anode, triode, tetrode, etc so I can use correct tube terminology) hanging just a couple millimeters lower than the other two. This is important because these filaments are mostly concealed behind a metal casing inside the tube. Essentially, more visible filiment = more visible light. As luck would have it, I initially installed those two tubes on the same side which, during operation, translated to "problem with left output tubes of the ST70." For aesthetics, the "brighter" 6CA7s are now respectively rear left and rear right.
I also made the mistake of buying Sovtek 7199s, one of which I (with Kevin's assistance) discovered is rather noisy. To make matters worse, I initially installed the noisy 7199 on the left side! Imagine my first impressions: "left side... brighter; left channel... noticable hum. WTF!?" Had I known the questionable reputation of Sovtek 7199s, I would have spent extra on some NOS RCAs instead.
After going through all this with Kevin, he commended me on my methodical & proficient assembly, as all the confusion could be directly attributed to tube manufacturing errors. Not to boast, but I've never done anything correctly the first time through. So I cannot express what a relief it is to know these hiccups are, more or less, nothing to worry about.
Okay, everything's fine, time to listen.

Best,
Benjamin
 
I bought my Series 2 from a local place, it was a salesman's demo so I'm almost the original owner. The transformers don't say where they are made. The resistors are carbon film and metal films. The original coupling caps I think were run of the mill mylars, going to MIT's was a big Improvement. Yes the bias is SS and capacitence is higher. I didn't modify anything just installed better parts. I never actually heard an original ST 70. It has plenty of power for my Forte's. It's a sharp looking amp with a very nice cage which is usually off. I think the power rating of 35 watts is a bit over stated. My Scott 340B slightly out cranks it but isn't quite as clean sounding. I may someday install different resistors in the signal path and change the diodes and see how it sounds. They seem somewhat rare but one pops up on e bay once in a while. If Dynaco releases a tube preamp kit I will definately build it.
 
Well, I finally threw a gamut of LPs at the ST70 to see how it held up under varying styles of music as well as varying conditions of source material. My long-winded summary follows:
The first LP was Afrika Bambaataa's "Looking for a Perfect Beat 1980-1985". I very infrequently play a track or two off this, so I figured the vinyl would sound clear & clean. My select track was "Planet Rock" (with a prominent sample of Kraftwerk's "Trans-Europe Express"), as this features both analogue synth & digital drum machine. My first suprise came when the Kraftwerk sample was played; here was a literal record of a recording of a record, yet the original Kraftwerk 3-or 4-note melody still retained a semblance of body after being dragged through dozens of circuits. At the same time, the bass was suprisingly prominent, to the point of contradicting my prior assertions of ST70 low-end inadequacy. There was a bit of extension that, despite my general dislike for dance music, made it engaging to listen to. My second suprise was in how much more the digital drums and synths of the early '80s sound when put through tubes. Instead of being the harbringer of the skant, insipid digital synth sounds that would dominate new-wave, they took on a texture that was most likely due to the oft-mentioned "tube coloration" of valve amplification. I'll go on the record as saying I'm for fidelity 99% of the time, but this instance of intonement is rather welcome.
The mono Sundazed repressing of "Soul Dressing" by Booker T. & the MGs, was the second LP. On the track "Tic-Tac-Toe" Booker T. Jones' organ had phenomenal focus, especially on his "expression"; there was a palpable presence in the room, that contrasted nicely in it's call-and-response with the over-driven twang of Steve Cropper's choppy telecaster smatterings. This is the sort of trait I find appealing about older tube gear: what it tends to eccentuate - mid range - is not to a point of exaggeration; rather, it's more like a realism that is a relief to hear reproduced correctly. I should add, too, that this is the sort of sound reproduction that makes it very hard to just listen. I really was getting lost in this wonderful, full-bodied, infectious realism coming out of my speakers.
The ST70 didn't fair as well though, on more modern, rough-around-the-edges recordings (like the punk band, Bastro). More abrasive sounds seemed to knock the wind out of the thing, but only in comparison to it's more-than-adequate performance moments earlier could I really be dissapointed. That said, I actually found myself enjoying the punishment of gnarly, thrashing guitars and the accompanying blitzkrieg of rapid-fire drumming, rather than wincing at the sheer force of the whole sound. The weaknesses here had more to do with the relatively murky recording, however, CD reissues of this material make me think it might have been a mastering issue.
I played a bootleg LP of the Beach Boys "Smile" LP. On this, I was expecting some generational loss, as this is a bootleg. Nonetheless, the mid-heavy harmonizing of the Beach Boys assumed a pleasing raga-like quality that had previously seemed rather thin. Additionally, the soundstaging was transparent enough that I could really hear how patched-together the work-in-progress by the Beach Boys was. The disparate tracks from varying sessions had audible seams in it, which is the sort of pull-no-punches reproduction one should be hearing.
After that, I put on a copy of my German pressing of The Beatles "White Album". Aside from the fact German vinyl from 60s tends to age better than it's US counterparts, I was blown away by some reveals during the track "Yer Blues" that I hadn't heard before. One of which was just how in-your-face and abrasive John Lennon's flanged guitar solo is towards the end, as well as how sharp the cut is that snips it off before the final measures into the fadeout. A second reveal was during the same instrumental measures that precede the fadeout; I could hear John Lennon's verse vocals ("I'm so lonely, wanna die") buried very quietly, as if he hadn't been isolated enough in the studio to keep from bleeding into an instrument mic. This is detail! Guess there's some magic in the mid-range... however, I gotta say, I got nagging low-end issues. Ringo's drums on this record are generally recorded pretty dry, but there is really some dampening in the punch & thwap of the bass drum and the rack toms that make it not sound very life-like. Inversely, there is a lack of sheen on the cymbals that prevents them from hanging in the air until they should naturally "dissolve". It just doesn't do him justice.
Next I put on The Breeder's "Pod", engineered by Steve Albini. Albini is really proficient of capturing the live sound of drums in a room, so I really wanted to test the low-end ambience abilities of the ST70. The separation of tracks, combined with the minimal instrumentation of the songs and soundstaging of the amplifier cooperated very well. I should say that there's gobs of "quiet" on this record, punctuated by overdriven guitar tones and female vocals, none of which are hard for the amp to work with. There's also loads of drum detail on the recording as well, which helped the ST70 along. It would seem that as long as the dynamics of the recording are demanding to much of the amplifier (like the "Planet Rock" track above), it is up to the task. However, if you're pushing really complex signals through it, in stock form it'll need a little assistance. Nonetheless, I heard some super-buried between-track banter I'd never noticed before, so color me impressed.
I finished this exercise with another mono recording, Chet Atkins "Finger-Style Guitar" album. The recording itself is of extraordinary detail as it is, according to the liner notes, Chet Atkins "...playing each selection, just once through... no multitracking." On a track like the Spanish "Malaguena", Atkins warm, fluid, percussive tone is tremendously conducive in bringing out the best of this amp. A vintage recording of solo country guitar on quality vinyl has it's own charms, but paired with the mid-range magic of the ST70, you simply want to build a room around it.
In conclusion, I'd say that not only is the ST70 an affordable entry into tube gear, but is the best entry for audio enthusiasts who are hesitant to pay eBay prices for an "super" tube amp that may very well need some TLC in the near future. If you're willing to commit yourself to a week's worth of construction and a little short-term audio imperfection (find me the "perfect" amp) for very-reasonably priced piece of Americana, there's no better option than the ST70. Furthermore, there's a bevy of aftermarket modifications online for the more demanding specs of audiophile-minded folks, so you really can get out of it as much as you put into it. And there's truly nothing better than pay-as-you-go, DIY style. I'm really hooked.

Best,
Benjamin
 
In the end leaving the ST-70 front end for the kits using a 7199 is going to be Kevin's huge mistake. The supplies of good 7199's are slim at best and the Sovteks are complete3 junk. In my opinion he should of redesigned the board for a 6GH8/6U8 which are extremely plentiful and sound at least as good as the 7199 in the circuit plus they give huge tube rolling options.

One thing I seen earlier in the thread is you dumped the Cinch sockets......wish I would of caught this thread earlier those are some of the best sockets made today and the only ones still made in the good old USA. The Dyna's used cinch originallly and the 8 pin tube sockets in the original Dynaco amps are the one thing you can leave as is after 40+ years of service with just cleaning and tensioning them. Cinch sockets may not look fancy with gold and what not but they work wonderfully and are completely serviceable. Most of the fancy gold ones tend to last about 5 years and then the metal contacts loose there ability to grab the tube pins (loss of spin tension abilities from heat). The gold means just about zero if the metal underneath is of low quality which is almost always the case.

Craig
 
Craig,

I'm not too worried about the 7199 driver board in the dynakits. Having corresponded with Kevin, I think his desire to keep the ST70 "authentic", as well as his belief in the product legacy is what prompted the reintroduction of these DIY kits, and by extension, the admittedly problematic inclusion of the 7199 driver board. I was always very up front with him about my intentions (rather early on) to upgrade the driver board, which I plan on doing soon, unless I buy a tube-tester to match any prospectuve 7199 to my "keeper" 7199, whereupon I'll wait a couple months. I think my comments and the comments on these forums show that a large majority of folks support his endeavor, with an even larger number of folks behind him if he were to do as you and others say and toss the 7199 board. The problem with us is we all have our own opinions about what's best, so I can't really fault him for going stock. I personally don't mind saying "been there, done that" with the stock driver. I guess I see the extra labor involved in upgrading as prolonging a rather enjoyable journey with my ST70 and it allows me to speak from experience, rather than succumbing to the temptation to take another's word for it.

As for the cinch sockets... well, I still have em in the tool box. I totally have a soft spot for the made in the USA sentiment, however, I saw others were using gold/ceramic octals, so I did research, and it seems ceramic is better long-term than plastic, so I went that route. I did, however, retain the cinch for the take-off sockets.

Best,
Benjamin
 
Well I would say that the original Cinches have a much longer track record then a ceramic. I mean hard to argue with 40, 50 or 60's years of service. I've yanked many of these ceramics out in 5 years its not the base material that is the problem its the metal contacts losing spring tension from hot cold cycles that give you trouble. Most of these ceramics are using garbage metal and covering it with gold. But either way no big deal you can replace them when and if the problem crops up in your case.

Also changing to the 6GH8/6U8 is a simple pin swap no real circuit change or sound change involved. The 7199 was nothing more then the 6GH8/6U8 tube with some spiral magical filament or something that was "suppose to be low noise" there was no truth in that statement in the end.

Craig
 
Just to make sure I follow you: the quality of the metal is more a determinant of a tube socket's life span than the plastic vs cermaic issue? I wish this discussion had taken place earlier! Oh well, I'll just deal with it when it becomes a problem.

7199s... low-noise? Compared to what, a blender?

Best,
Benjamin
 
Brinkman said:
7199s... low-noise? Compared to what, a blender?

Best,
Benjamin

Now that made me chuckle!! Actually the NOS 7199 are pretty darn good. But at nearly $40 each they should be!! Thing is they are no more quiet then most NOS 6GH8/6U8's that cost $5 to $10 each.

Craig
 
Southern,

At the moment I am using the Bellari VP-129. I've had it almost two years. I was waffling on it for a while, and I pulled the trigger right before the $50.00 price hike to $250.00. Prior to that, I upgraded my turntable to a Project Debut, after 6 years with a Sony TT. I'm trying to be methodical in my upgrades, taking turns with the components.
I liked it better than the phono input on my crappy SS integrated (duh!), but still using the integrated as an amp with my then-inefficient speakers was a poor trio. I had warmth, accompanied by muddy bass and sibilance. Ugh.
Upgrading to Forte's helped the bass, but increased the shrillness twofold. The sibilance alone could etch glass.
I can say having the ST70 has tamed the sibilance quite a bit (I think it's my cart), and my midrange is phenomenal, but I really want stronger highs & lows. Thusly, I think I owe it to all the other components to bring the Forte's up to spec (and then some) before I blather on and on about their limitations.
In the near future are a Lenco replinthing (to replace the ProJect), hopefully paired with a Rega 250 I can tweak the hell outta, and then I upgrade my phono pre... lot's of options for that!
For the moment, Forte mods & ST70 mods come first.

Best,
Benjamin
 
Hey guys,

Thought I should let you know about this:
http://www.sigtomics.com/index.html
This guy makes soft-start outlets to adapt for audiophile products, as well as outlets for other uses. Feel free to check it out and share your impressions.
I ordered one and got it today, but seeing as my ST70 can't speak, I'm assuming it's a cost-effective way to be kind to my components.

Best,
Benjamin
 
Benjamin,

When I upgraded my caps on my Forte's I did one at a time to allow me to hear the difference. What I noticed is that with the upgraded crossover the midrange seemed to be in the same plane as the lows and highs (time aligned). The original crossover made the midrange sound like it was 1 foot in front of the highs & lows.

If/when you decided to upgrade your Forte crossovers you may notice that the lack of highs and lows can be contributed to a midrange that is too bright.
 
Feeling rather paranoid performance about my Forte's, I've been tempted to think a lot of things, but never that the mids were too bright. Of course, a strong midrange came with the ST70, so what makes it stand out is not a displacement, but a contrasting richness. I'm definitely willing to try a crossover modification, but really I just want to recap and modify in one trip, so as to render the speaker-accuracy issue mute in regards to the upgrading of other components. Perhaps a time-allignment adjustment is better percieved in retrospect. Regardless, I hope I can see a quality crossover modification issued soon.

Best,
Benjamin
 
Now that made me chuckle!! Actually the NOS 7199 are pretty darn good. But at nearly $40 each they should be!! Thing is they are no more quiet then most NOS 6GH8/6U8's that cost $5 to $10 each.

Craig


I've only just come across this thread but I feel I have to agree with NOSValves on the 7199. The tube is a darn good one but I've read it's now out of production again :sigh:. That brings the price back up. The 6U8 is esentually the same tube with differing pinouts and a much lower price. The circuit topology would have remained the same and since the tube specs are so simliar the sonics would have been close.


Brinkman:

I'm very happy for your build and accomplishment. I still remember the thrill I got on my first kit build, an Eico 3070 15 watt/ch solid state intergrated that I thought sounded great and I used for about 8 or 10 years or so. (now almost 30 years ago). Way to go :banana:.
 
Brinkman:

I'm very happy for your build and accomplishment. I still remember the thrill I got on my first kit build, an Eico 3070 15 watt/ch solid state intergrated that I thought sounded great and I used for about 8 or 10 years or so. (now almost 30 years ago). Way to go :banana:.

Thanks. Even though I've done some subsequent modifications to the my ST70 (VTA ST70 driver board, Triode Electronics power supply upgrade), it was the initial experience of building it from a kit that got me hooked on this hobby. And what an engaging hobby it is...
 
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