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The Quality of New Vinyl Today

I have had better luck as of late, but I've also cut way back on vinyl purchases--there is now so much that rather than decide what to buy, I pretty much avoid buying it completely. :D

In recent years though, my new vinyl purchases have been better than they used to be.

I avoid anything and everything that UMe (Universal Music) puts out, as they always find a way to f**k it up. Some in their Back To Black series sound awful--they are dull and also lack dynamics. My SACDs of The Police always sounded very close to my original A&M vinyl copies, but the 180g of Zenyatta Mondatta is completely lifeless. Another UMe title that was a total shame was the Dire Straits On Every Street. Beautiful sound, remastered by Chris Bellman at Grundman's, and pressed by shlockmeisters GZ Vinyl in the Czech Republic. This is a 2-LP set, and the records were grossly mishandled. I'm talking evidence of poor handling in the pressing plant such as visible scratches and scuffs, and the noise to go along with it. Got a second set from Amazon to replace the first--that one was bad as well, scratched/scuffed in different places. I couldn't even Frankenstein together a playable set out of both, so I now have both on my shelf. The Love Over Gold I own is also Bellman-mastered, but was pressed here in the US and sold on the Warner label. One last fiasco was the recent Carpenters vinyl box set--UMe cheapened production again and there were multiple complaints from day one about the noisy vinyl, even from casual non-audiophile buyers. You think they would frickin' learn... :rolleyes: (Supposedly the records were repressed for the set, and UMe would exchange them...but you had to send them proof you had destroyed the original copy you purchased! How lame is that? When I had a really bad off-center Rhino pressing of the first Black Sabbath record, all it took was my word, and a photograph of the record, and they had a new one on the way to me.)

Those original stereo Beatles 180g pressings were terrible also--I bought two that were Rainbo pressed and they were as terrible as everyone said they would be. Ended up getting the set from the UK--flawless. Mobile Fidelity's records have been pretty much good--I had one bad Dean Martin LP that they exchanged with no problem. But, their mastering isn't to my taste most of the time--I find a lot of their recent titles too bright. (And the Costello/Bacharach LP was just a bad idea...it's a poor cutting IMHO that should have been spread across three or four sides.) Some other bad recent 180g pressings have come on the Fantasy label--I have a Vince Guaraldi that is quite noisy. (But then again, it was orange vinyl.)

I've had more bad luck with off-center holes. The House of Chad (aka QRP/Quality Record Pressing) had an ongoing issue with that--seems like at least one third of the records I bought that were QRP-pressed were off-center. Even the last two Rush 180g titles I bought were off-center. The more recent pressings have been OK, although I've only been buying the 45 RPM pressings from QRP lately. (They sound phenomenal, BTW.)

As for another kind of "new" record...I have been burned way too many times lately with used records that look good but are unacceptably worn to me. With some that were owned by others (rather than sold by a used record store), it totally surprises me how they could not hear all of this distortion! I end up rejecting over half the used records I buy. As such, I've now taken to paying a bit more to find sealed new old stock LPs, and have been having quite good luck with it. It's rare that I get a bad one now! Very pleased. I only sort of got burned once--there was a mid 60s record that ended up having a "pinch warp" due to the record being exposed to heat at one point. It's a shame since finding this record used is difficult enough, and to find it new and sealed comes up maybe once a decade. :(
 
Just because it's new doesn't guarantee quality, even if "they" say "180 gram vinyl, audiophile quality, blah blah..".

Let Google be your friend, do some research before spending your hard-earned dollars. Check out reviews from different sources.


From my experience and in no particular order.

The good stuff:
Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab
ORG
ORG Music
Analogue Productions
Music Matters
IMPEX
Mosaic
Pure Pleasure
Speakers Corner
Reference Recordings
Quality Records
Japanese pressings (particularly for jazz) on King Records, Toshiba EMI

The bad stuff:
Doxy
ZYX (Germany)
Vinyl Lovers
Simply Vinyl
Abraxas
Scorpio
Four Men With Beards (this one is a crap shoot)


And yes, there are exceptions for both. However, personally speaking, I've never had a bad experience with the good stuff, and I have bought a shitload of new vinyl in the last 10 years.

I was burned once or twice, never again.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!

Cheers. :)
 
The last 7 out of 8 new albums I've purchased this year have been defective, producing distracting pops. Two of those I returned for refund, each having a fireworks display of firecracker like pops. This experience has made me shy away from new vinyl; so, for the most part, I am now mostly buying used thrift store vinyl, digitizing it for play from my iTunes Library. It's cheap, and fun; plus, by utilizing a pop filter, the digitized LPs are free from distracting pops.
 
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I've bought, and listen too, about 75% new vinyl over the past few years. I've had a few clinkers for sure but overall the quality and sound have been pretty impressive. I have several duplicates new/old and generally the newer issue/re-issue surpasses the original in every way. I still buy both new and used.

Of course, that's simply my experience on my system, and yours will certainly be somewhat different.
 
I'll never touch Speakers Corner again. I only bought two, and the mastering is piss poor. I have no clue what they used for the masters in the records I bought, but they sound nowhere close to even the CD copies I own. Not only that, one of them is marked "stereo" but the record is in mono! (And since I once owned the mono version, I know what it should sound like.) I have YouTube videos of one or both, IIRC.

BTW, there are some out there who dislike Music On Vinyl, mainly due to not knowing which sources they used. But, they press their records in the old CBS plressing plant in Holland, and they have to be some of the flattest, quietest new records I've ever bought. All of my Depeche Mode 180g pressings, except one, were official MOV releases and play back nicely. (The only DM that doesn't, I bought locally, and it was a Rhino/Warner release...and it's warped and noisy. :rolleyes: ) In fact, the only colored vinyl record I've ever bought in my life that was drop dead quiet was my MOV pressing of the West Side Story soundtrack. Just an observation--I know they are licensed by labels to do vinyl releases (they do many current soundtrack releases), but they also seem heavy on Columbia (aka Sony) releases, which makes me wonder if there is some sort of vague corporate tie there. Especially since they are using an old CBS pressing plant.

@the_nines Some of those "bad" labels you list are almost like what I would call grey-market reissues. They are not official label releases (of course), nor are they officially licensed. They make use of holes in the copyright laws in their countries to release this shoddy product. Wax Time is another, and sadly, I got suckered into buying one of them (the Nat King Cole After Midnight record). It actually isn't bad--the vinyl seems nicely pressed, but, I'm thinking they used the Analogue Productions SACD as their source. Still, not a legit product in some countries. Many of these off-brands use altered cover art. (Do a search for a popular Bill Evans title, or even Kind Of Blue, and you'll see what I mean.)
 
I'll never touch Speakers Corner again. I only bought two, and the mastering is piss poor. I have no clue what they used for the masters in the records I bought, but they sound nowhere close to even the CD copies I own. Not only that, one of them is marked "stereo" but the record is in mono! (And since I once owned the mono version, I know what it should sound like.) I have YouTube videos of one or both, IIRC.

BTW, there are some out there who dislike Music On Vinyl, mainly due to not knowing which sources they used. But, they press their records in the old CBS plressing plant in Holland, and they have to be some of the flattest, quietest new records I've ever bought. All of my Depeche Mode 180g pressings, except one, were official MOV releases and play back nicely. (The only DM that doesn't, I bought locally, and it was a Rhino/Warner release...and it's warped and noisy. :rolleyes: ) In fact, the only colored vinyl record I've ever bought in my life that was drop dead quiet was my MOV pressing of the West Side Story soundtrack. Just an observation--I know they are licensed by labels to do vinyl releases (they do many current soundtrack releases), but they also seem heavy on Columbia (aka Sony) releases, which makes me wonder if there is some sort of vague corporate tie there. Especially since they are using an old CBS pressing plant.

@the_nines Some of those "bad" labels you list are almost like what I would call grey-market reissues. They are not official label releases (of course), nor are they officially licensed. They make use of holes in the copyright laws in their countries to release this shoddy product. Wax Time is another, and sadly, I got suckered into buying one of them (the Nat King Cole After Midnight record). It actually isn't bad--the vinyl seems nicely pressed, but, I'm thinking they used the Analogue Productions SACD as their source. Still, not a legit product in some countries. Many of these off-brands use altered cover art. (Do a search for a popular Bill Evans title, or even Kind Of Blue, and you'll see what I mean.)

My MOV pressings are flawless.
 
My MOV pressings are flawless.
I think out of a couple dozen, I've had one that may have had a slight flaw to it. It was nothing worth returning the record for, though! All pressing plants should operate at this level IMHO.
 
I've yet to have any major problems with new records, but I've only bought about 30 or so. My copy of Big Star's #1 Record sounds a little thin, but that's about the only problem I've had.
 
The worst vinyl mastering I've heard besides my two Speakers Corner titles was the Brian Setzer Orchestra record Songs from Lonely Avenue. The included CD was a bit on the bright/hard side, but the LP was cut so dull that on one of my systems, I had to turn the treble all the way up on my old preamp just to make it somewhat listenable. Sadly I never got into the album (like I did his earlier albums) since the CD and LP were both unpleasant in their own way.
 
I used to complain about new vinyl and then I learned which reissues where best bet for success.

It is easy to buy new vinyl of newer music and get a flawed copy though.
 
Resurrecting this thread instead of staring a new one. Have i got really bad luck or are a lot of newish records not completely flat? I bought a lot of 5 new LP's recently and 2 are slightly warped (enough to see when looking at the platter) and 1 was extremely warped, had to send back.

Do you accept slight warp? or should i be return/replacing those as well?
 
The quality of new vinyl today is.......all over the map, just like it always has been.

Slight warps are normal. If it plays, it stays.
 
I don't get many that are warped. I've only had two that were badly warped, and that was early on when Amazon started shipping vinyl and they were improperly packaged. They replaced the records, and told me to keep the bad ones. Once I get a VinylFlat to flatten some of my rarer records, I'll see what I can do with them.
 
I've had quite a few new albums that sound fantastic, I can tell that the new pressings are getting better. Just depends on the company pressing the album.

Look into BigBrother, you may find some newer albums you like. They seem to be good quality pressings of all the Oasis collection.

good luck with it!
 
When I get the occasional warped record, I put them in my tightly packed (not super tight though) Peaches record crate. In a few weeks to months you will be amazed how much they flatten.
 
Speakers Corners, every LP I have ever purchased from their catalogue has been great. AP also has great pressings, and if you do have one that is bad, they make it right.

I have had just a few that have had problems, and I buy a fair amount of new records.

Most of my purchases are new releases, or releases that are for the first time being pressed on vinyl, prior to that they only came out on CD's. Most of the older music that I have on vinyl are early releases already pressed on vinyl so if I do want to buy older music I usually look for a specific release number from sellers on Discogs, not a repress that was already done once on vinyl. I like to buy as close to the first pressing as possible.
 
ok, dumb question...i'm trying to understand what is being discussed here. Are y'all saying the same album is pressed from different sources? If i go to discogs to buy an album, i don't see 10 listings from different companies of the same album, i see one album pressed by one company . I don't have a choice. Let's say i want an Abbey Road album pressed by mobile fidelity, do i have to do a search with those key words? Is that how it works?
 
Most of the older music that I have on vinyl are early releases already pressed on vinyl so if I do want to buy older music I usually look for a specific release number from sellers on Discogs, not a repress that was already done once on vinyl. I like to buy as close to the first pressing as possible.
Can't get much closer than a sealed LP with the original release hype sticker on it. Last month, I scored a Synchronicity, sealed, with the hype sticker mentioning the KC-600 audiophile vinyl used to press it. Exactly as my original copy had. And it cost me maybe a dollar or two less than many new pressings being made today. :) (I won't be collecting the dozens of album cover variations though. :D )
 
Are y'all saying the same album is pressed from different sources?
It would probably take a chapter out of an entire book to explain it all. ;)

For original releases, it was not uncommon to have a few different pressing plants produce a record. Some labels owned their own pressing plants, while others contracted with different major labels or individual pressing plants to get their product manufactured. A major independent like A&M would often have the two Columbia Records plants, plus Monarch, press their records. Warner also used to contract it out. In the 80s, I think labels like Motown/Tamla were having records pressed by MCA (and those had major problems--I never owned one that wasn't noisy). In current LP production, a record released globally may be pressed by one plant in the EU, and another in the US. The stereo Beatles Box was the most notorious since the EU pressings were flat and dead quiet, while the US pressings by Rainbo had numerous quality problems. I also read that Adele's last album was pressed at a handful of record plants in the US since they needed a lot of capacity to produce what they needed.

For Discogs, you want to look at the bottom of an individual listing.

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Click on View All to go to the "master release" entry in Discogs:

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And there is where you see all released versions:

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If you want to shop for any vinyl release, just click the button in the master release:

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...then narrow down your choice to vinyl on the search results page (in the lefthand sidebar).

If you want a specific vinyl release, go through the different released versions, choose the one you want, then click the blue Marketplace button (which will say Vinyl or CD, depending on which version you've chosen).

As for the what/why/how to the different versions, it could be any number of things. Different pressing plants, reissues, international releases, variations in catalog number or matrix number (shown in the run-out of the record), audiophile releases (look for "RM" and "180", 2x12", etc. along with the name of the audiophile record label), etc. all get separate listings. Here is a partial listing for Ike Quebec's Soul Samba and you'll note two Analogue Productions versions in the list:

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The red (1) means I have one in my wantlist. A green (1) would indicate I have it in my collection.
 
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