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The true reason why vintage JBLs are so popular in Japan

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I was reading the posts on this forum and have found too many misunderstanding regarding JBL status in Japan, so I would like to correct them here.

1. In Japan, JBL has been THE speaker to listen to Jazz, or Jazz oriented music. Actually, most audiophiles in Japan only listen to Jazz and classical music. Classical music lovers don't choose JBL, they choose European speakers or high end such as Tannoy and Sonus Faber. Of course, people listen to pop and rock music in Japan, but they are not considered as real audiophile music, except a few recordings. It's very common a serious audiophile who listens to both classical and Jazz buys 2 speaker sets, JBL (or Altec) and the other.

2. Japanese only value certain type of JBL speakers, Paragon, Hartsfield, 43XX monitors, S9500, and vintage alnico units. 44xx are unpopular. "L" consumer JBLs are extremely unpopular. I'll tell you why later.

3. Historically, Paragon and Hartsfield became popular in Japan at first, as an icon of American Dream. Only very few successful people could afford them. Some bought Tannoy instead. Average audiophiles at that time was using Altec or building own speakers with JBL / Altec /Goodman units. Western Electric was already the legend.

4. Now 4343. The true JBL craziness in Japan started here. You guys must understand that 434x have been VERY controversial speakers in Japan although they have been extremely popular. When they appeared, Japanese audio critics said that they could sound really good ONLY if the user TRULY understand how to properly set up all the audio equipments. It is true that 434x are very hard to use speakers due to phase issue, multiple amping difficulty etc., and they tend to sound bad, but Japanese serious audiophiles started challenging them, and a (very) few audiophiles successfully could have made them sound extremely good, then those few has become audiophile legends. So 434x is considered to be THE speaker which all serious audiophiles should challenge at least once in a life time to test his ability and know his limit as an audiophile. 4343’s rather Spartan look does really matches to their intention. In a word, JBL has become a martial art, it's all about the challenge to overcome the limit of user himself.

4. "L" and the other consumar JBL has never been popular in Japan. This is because they look like nothing but luxury home speakers, and they tend to sound good whoever use them. No need for struggling, therefore they are not true JBL. JBL is a martial art in Japan. Samurai shouldn’t choose easy way, in this case, home speakers. On the contrary, 431x was very popular among the young wannabe audiophile who couldn't afford 434x. 431x sound bad, of course, because JBL has to sound bad, only the user will make them sound good. 44xx was not popular, because they sound good regardless of the users. They think 44xx are not a real audiophile speakers. K2 S9500 became really popular albeit $40000 price tag, because they tend to sound horrible. Then people called it ultimate JBL. This is not a joke. This would sound extremely strange, but that is the typical Japanese audiophile mentality. Tannoy, Altec, and the other speaker users in Japan have different mentality than above JBL martial artists, but eventually all audiophiles in Japan have been definitely influenced by 4343 culture.

5. There is another thing. In Japan, there has been the places called “JAZZ COFEE SHOP”, where 50s-60s Jazz are played very loud all day long, customers can’t talk each other in this coffee shop, because people go there for listening to music. 99% of those Jazz coffee shop uses JBL (some use Altec), and JBL / Altec has become defact standard of listening to Jazz, then Tannoy and the other for classical music. High End speakers are also considered as “sound stage speaker” for classical music, variations of ESL 63, so Jazz listeners still choose vintage JBL. 21 century JBLs are not really considered as true JBLs. They are considered more like somewhat inferior high end speakers. DD66000 is highly regarded as a true high end speaker, though.
 
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The "butt cheek" models (44xx) are unpopular in Japan because rather than being associated with the "butt," the are associated with the "vagina."

These models weren't sold in Japan and the Japanese market got their own versions where the "butt" has been redone more to look like a "dart" on a shirt. I've been told that they don't work nearly as well though.

If you've not seen one, sometimes these Japanese models come up on ebay.
 
the "butt cheek" models (44xx) are unpopular in japan because rather than being associated with the "butt," the are associated with the "vagina."

these models weren't sold in japan and the japanese market got their own versions where the "butt" has been redone more to look like a "dart" on a shirt. I've been told that they don't work nearly as well though.

If you've not seen one, sometimes these japanese models come up on ebay.

lol.
 
This is either a bunch of BS, or proof that significant portions of Japan are insane.
 
Wow. Fascinating stuff. I especially like this....

" In a word, JBL has become a martial art, it's all about the challenge to overcome the limit of user himself. "

...as it illuminates that many audiophiles in the Japanese culture have a desire to make their audio journey a personal challenge. I suspect this is to yield a greater dividend of gratification once the end goal is realized. Very cool. :yes:

Which leads to wonder why they don't have a fancy for certain Klipsch models...:headscrat
 
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Thank you for such a great explanation of the JBL enthusiasts in Japan. I never would have thought that it was because of JBL Samaria. :jawdrop:
 
I study JBL 4343 for many many years SPL Hopper :D

Find this to be totally believable having some experience with Japanese culture.
 
Wow. Fascinating stuff. I especially like this....

" In a word, JBL has become a martial art, it's all about the challenge to overcome the limit of user himself. "

...as it illuminates that many audiophiles in the Japanese culture have a desire to make their audio journey a personal challenge. I suspect this is to yield a greater dividend of gratification once the end goal is realized. Very cool. :yes:

Which leads to wonder why they don't have a fancy for certain Klipsch models...:headscrat

Hmmmm....this does remind me of your duel with Altec 19 though ;)
 
Of course we on this side of the Big Pond spend time ( & money ) on various types and sizes of speaker wire.

Don't see much difference, we all have challenges we like to tackle when it comes to enjoying our audio hobby.

Mark Gosdin
 
They're samurai taking the hard way, not masochists. ;)

Then they'd probably enjoy erotic intercourse standing in a hammock in a sandstorm.
They could brag about having done it tho' there would be absolutely no other conceivably pleasureable result.

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Thank you for kind words.

Just one more brief story.

Mr. Sugano has been the most influential Japanese audio critic. Last 50 years until recently retired, he had been the top editor of the Stereo Sound, the most respected Japanese audiophile magazine by far. He has been using JBL horn systems for a very long time at home, and he always proudly says,

"Everyone says my JBL doesn't sound like JBL at all."

This is absolutely the highest praise to the audiophile in Japan. Mr. Sugano made the impossible possible.
 
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I have yet to hear a JBL I'd want compared to a Yamaha NS-690 tho I don't get out much. Otherwise an LS-14 midwoofer in an econo waveguide system could be intriguing.

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