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This Should Be Interesting. An Uncommon Cartridge

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Mister Pig

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Be curious to hear how this sounds. Cantilever was originally boron, this one has a Soundsmith ruby retip. Whenever the diamond is used up I will have it redone with an OEM cantilever. But at this point I have a full slate of hours.

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Mister Pig said:
They might be the builder, or perhaps Supex.

Company is Shinon and that is a Shinon Red.
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Yep. Won't find an OEM cantilever for it though as it was tubular boron.

You should ask Lederman if he rebuilt the suspension as the later ones (called Improved, which it is by the looks of it) were known to collapse. If it's original it should work best with a low mass arm as these were high compliance.

Of course, that was a long time ago...all bets are off, now. Enjoy it, anyways....one of the best from the heydays of vinyl replay, IMO.
 
isn't boron toxic or something, and thats why its not used? Or am I thinking of some other material that was used on higher end cartridges?
 
I am interested to hear your thoughts on the Shinon Red. There has been talks of it on Facebook recently amongst the audio consignetti.
 
vinyldavid said:
I am interested to hear your thoughts on the Shinon Red. There has been talks of it on Facebook recently amongst the audio consignetti.
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Big, bold and exciting is how I recall it. It didn't have the typical HF rise that MCs of the day were known for, which gave it a more natural, seemingly warmer (but not warm) presence. Some compared it to Koetsu for that reason.
 
I have an all-original Shinon Red Boron and I think it is my favorite cartridge right now in my collection. In my opinion it is really romantic but in the best ways. I am not sure I'd call this the most timbrally accurate cart, but the sound it produces is so involving and fun that I can't stop listening to it. It also is the best cart I own as far as 3d soundstage reproduction. Orchestra sections are well placed, and a piano is taking up a proportional 9 foot space in the right spot. It's pretty wild how clearly you can sense the positioning with this one.

Someone in this thread said it is high compliance, I am not convinced of that. I'd like to see numbers. I assumed it was low compliance and I have been using it on my Fidelity Research FR64s with great results. Others who have heard it also have remarked about how strong the synergy is.

I own two of them but one has the collapsed suspension that was common with these. I have wondered whether I should just keep it for parts in case my working one gives out, or if I should pay the $400 to repair it.
 
AlexanderEli said:
I have an all-original Shinon Red Boron and I think it is my favorite cartridge right now in my collection. In my opinion it is really romantic but in the best ways. I am not sure I'd call this the most timbrally accurate cart, but the sound it produces is so involving and fun that I can't stop listening to it. It also is the best cart I own as far as 3d soundstage reproduction. Orchestra sections are well placed, and a piano is taking up a proportional 9 foot space in the right spot. It's pretty wild how clearly you can sense the positioning with this one.

Someone in this thread said it is high compliance, I am not convinced of that. I'd like to see numbers. I assumed it was low compliance and I have been using it on my Fidelity Research FR64s with great results. Others who have heard it also have remarked about how strong the synergy is.

I own two of them but one has the collapsed suspension that was common with these. I have wondered whether I should just keep it for parts in case my working one gives out, or if I should pay the $400 to repair it.
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Can you confirm something? Does it have a boron tube cantilever or can you tell if it's solid? I suspect the epoxy does not let you see the cantilever end. Does any literature you have give an answer?
 
Did they even have solid boron rods in the '80s?
AlexanderEli said:
I have an all-original Shinon Red Boron and I think it is my favorite cartridge right now in my collection. In my opinion it is really romantic but in the best ways. I am not sure I'd call this the most timbrally accurate cart, but the sound it produces is so involving and fun that I can't stop listening to it. It also is the best cart I own as far as 3d soundstage reproduction. Orchestra sections are well placed, and a piano is taking up a proportional 9 foot space in the right spot. It's pretty wild how clearly you can sense the positioning with this one.

Someone in this thread said it is high compliance, I am not convinced of that. I'd like to see numbers. I assumed it was low compliance and I have been using it on my Fidelity Research FR64s with great results. Others who have heard it also have remarked about how strong the synergy is.

I own two of them but one has the collapsed suspension that was common with these. I have wondered whether I should just keep it for parts in case my working one gives out, or if I should pay the $400 to repair it.
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The one that collapsed on me was on a 64FX, so I assumed the arm was too heavy, This, after running one successfully for 4 years on a Mission 774 original @1.7g. If they need higher VTF or mass (as the VE database implies) then the suspension may have since hardened.

You're a lucky man, Eli. I sure miss mine.
 
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