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Thorens Td 124 /125

kerouacknew

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Hi,
I have two turntable options i am considering just need a wee bit of advice.
TD-124 with ESL tonearm $1200 can
TD-125 with SME 3009 tonearm $800 can

Kinda new to high end TT. I like the 124 but am wondering about that tonearm and options i have for cartridges with it. The 125 seems like more of a plug and play option.

Would appreciate any advice current Thorens owners would offer.

thanks
 
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The 125/SME will be more of a plug and play option. The arm alone is worth about 1/2 of the asking price.

The 124 is a bonafide classic, and the ESL arm would probably work well with something like a Denon DL-103 or some other low compliance cartridge.

The two tables are quite different; the 124 is a hybrid belt/idler drive and the 125 is a suspended belt drive.
 
Well it depends on what your budget is, where you intend to stop, and perhaps even what type of vinyl you like to play.

I have owned TD 125 in the past, and own a TD 124....along with a couple of other tables. Now there are people who will disagree with me, but the TD 124 is the high water mark for Thorens, at least for the tables that were widely distributed. But that arm is a bit of a relic, and you can achieve far better performance with more of a current production piece. But even on the used market, a tone arm can cost at least $250 to $300 for a more "modern" older piece. Now if you have the appropriate head shell for that arm you could at least get a couple of hundred for it. If it does not have the head shell it is darn near worthless, as on Ebay the head shell sells for $100+...actually closer to $200. Now there may be some vintage cartridges that will work well in it, but I am not real well versed on that info...someone else will have to give it to you.

Now I don't care for the 125 as much as I do the 124, but it is still a darn nice table. And that price is very reasonable for the tone arm and table. That arm will normally sell in the $350 to $400 range, and perhaps a bit more if all the bits and package come with it. With that said, I am not all that fond of that arm either, but it does have its fans. But it is a good solid table, and will give you excellent performance.

One more thing on the 124, and perhaps the 125. If these tables have not had some maintenance done to them you are going to have to put a bit of cash into them. With the 124 you want to lubricate all the moving joints for the controls, idler wheel, and what not. You will probably want to oil the motor, and consider having it refurbished to ensure its longevity. Also the rubber motor mounts should be replaced, and perhaps the plinth suspension mushrooms. Clean the spindle housing out, put new oil in, make sure the bottom plate is not deformed. Oh and replace the belt, and make sure the idler wheel does not have any flat spots. One very important thing to do is make sure the top aluminum plate is flat and true. These are very expensive to replace, and hard to find. Over the years careless people have damaged a number of them, and its getting harder to find replacements. These pieces can sell for the $300 range on Ebay all day long....when you find them. There are a lot of affordable parts on Ebay for the general maintenance of this table.

Good luck with your choice, both are wonderful tables. Give us a bit more info on what you want to do, where you see yourself going, and what you might budget for all of this.

I will leave you with this image. here is a TD 124 built by AK bob06. This is where you could end up one day!

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Regards
Mister Pig
 
Hey Thank u for the quick replies.
And thank u 3kitty for the info and hello form Northern Ontario, i have posted in the Thorens group as well.

Mister pig i am not exactly sure where i am headed as far as TT.
i have a few lps and i do enjoy listening to vinyl but have to admit i dont do it as much as i listen to other formats.
i have just been doing some small upgrades in my system and thought that my turntable was the next piece that needed attention.
I really like the 124. A really sweet older couple have it and are looking for a good home for it. Im just not so sure im capable of doing the upgrading on it.
Is there step by step info on how to do some of these upgrades someplace?
The $1200 alone is pretty much my budget. Not sure i would have much left for maintenance.
How much would a replacement arm cost? Something decent but not break the bank? The ESL looks to be complete with the headshell.

thanks again nice people
 
These are nice people - and very knowledgeable!!
I have learned a lot from them collectively!!
 
I have owned both, and liked the TD-124 better. But, the TD-125 is no slouch either. The TD-124 seems to command higher prices that go up all the time. The ESL tonearm will need to be replaced though as it is not up to the standards of the 124. If you want plug and play go with the 125....
 
Hey Thank u for the quick replies.
And thank u 3kitty for the info and hello form Northern Ontario, i have posted in the Thorens group as well.

Mister pig i am not exactly sure where i am headed as far as TT.
i have a few lps and i do enjoy listening to vinyl but have to admit i dont do it as much as i listen to other formats.
i have just been doing some small upgrades in my system and thought that my turntable was the next piece that needed attention.
I really like the 124. A really sweet older couple have it and are looking for a good home for it. Im just not so sure im capable of doing the upgrading on it.
Is there step by step info on how to do some of these upgrades someplace?
The $1200 alone is pretty much my budget. Not sure i would have much left for maintenance.
How much would a replacement arm cost? Something decent but not break the bank? The ESL looks to be complete with the headshell.

thanks again nice people

Well you can do as little or a lot to a 124, its really what you are comfortable with. You can do the basic service to the table, and I bet these owners really never abused that table. You may just have to give the moving parts a shot of a bit of cleaner and a touch of oil, a new belt, a general cleaning of rubber parts, clean out the spindle well and re-oil it, and perhaps change the motor mounts. the 124 is fairly easy to work on, and lots of people here can walk you through it. There are a lot of parts available on Ebay for restoration, so that is not an issue. Especially those parts that need replacement like the motor grommets and the belt. And they aren't horribly expensive.

As far as the arm, I suspect it will work in a pinch. I have one minus the head shell that came with my 124, and so I know it. It is a bit primitive, but it will do an all right job. I suspect you will have to replace the stylus on whatever cartridge is mounted to it now, but if its something like a Shure M44-7, you could have a decent cartridge...and stylus replacement isn't expensive. Then when your audio kitty has recovered, you can put an upgraded arm and cartridge on it. The important thing is to get the table in your possession, as finding clean examples of this table is getting harder and more expensive. It is unlikely to go down in value anytime soon. Matter of fact, for many people a Thorens TD 124 is their end game turntable. It is worthy of putting multi thousand of dollar arms and cartridges on it.

But if you want plug and play, the TD 125 is probably a bit more straight forward to buy and get situated. Although it is a very old table also, and may require some degree of maintenance also.

But there are many people here who can help you get either table sorted out and fine tuned.

Regards
Mister Pig
 
Yes beatcomber it is cold up here today. -30 with the wind chill but it least its sunny :)
bob06 does have a beautiful 124 as well.....gorgeous.
I let them know today that i was going to pass on the 124. I just think its too much table for me at this point and i would rather get something more plug and play.
If anyone is interested in it please let me know and i will give you there information.
they are in BC.
Im not sure what i want to buy now. Have been trying to do some research.
I do like the looks of a few pioneer direct drives i believe and some denons.
I may try to find something like those to start.
thanks for all the advice i will keep you updated.
Enjy your wkds :)
 
Be careful with the 125. The speed control system uses a wein bridge that wears over the years to the point they no longer work and can not be fixed. Not sure if anyone has a work around. When checking the 125 the thumbwheel in am ideal world would be in the center when on speed. If nearer either end, it is getting worn.

I have seen some where the wheel no longer will dial in the speed. Mine that I sold recently, though was about half way to on side from center and after more than a decade showed no worsening but, I set it one time and maybe only had to adjust it once or twice thereafter. I never played any speed but 33 1/3 so it may have been a factor. I do not remember ever checking 45 rpm.
 
thanks again nice people

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