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To the Technics bashers...

Excellent!

Thank you very much for posting. Photographic evidence is undeniable, and makes a nice addition to the list of vendors who built units for RS.

I was aware of the TT's but had never seen any photographic evidence of a Matsushita/Technics connection to the receiver line, now i have.

Thanks again for posting!
I just got another STA-240 in that needs a major overhaul. When I get to it and have things disassembled, I'll look to see if there are any more tell-tale signs hidden away. It will be a while until I get to it though. I have a backlog of service work to get done first before doing any personal work. One thing I did notice is there are absolutely no Elna capacitors in this unit. That in itself is very telling where all the other Realistics I've worked on have had mostly Elna caps. Especially the Grey Elna Bombs. :biggrin:
 
I just got another STA-240 in that needs a major overhaul. When I get to it and have things disassembled, I'll look to see if there are any more tell-tale signs hidden away. It will be a while until I get to it though. I have a backlog of service work to get done first before doing any personal work. One thing I did notice is there are absolutely no Elna capacitors in this unit. That in itself is very telling where all the other Realistics I've worked on have had mostly Elna caps. Especially the Grey Elna Bombs. :biggrin:
Hello Skywatcher!
I read your post and was wondering if you have a STA 240 Schematic? And...if you have one for sale or for parts, please let me know. I have a 240 with a blown output xistor and need a schematic. Thanks, Paul.
 
I don't see Technics bashers here... I mean, some don't like the brand or many of its products, but that's hardly indicative of the forums overall. In fact, this post seems to imply that it's rampant, as if people put the brand in the same category as Lloyd's, Sound Design, etc. Sony and Bose get far more bashing
 
Hello Skywatcher!
I read your post and was wondering if you have a STA 240 Schematic? And...if you have one for sale or for parts, please let me know. I have a 240 with a blown output xistor and need a schematic. Thanks, Paul.
 
Hello Skywatcher!
I read your post and was wondering if you have a STA 240 Schematic? And...if you have one for sale or for parts, please let me know. I have a 240 with a blown output xistor and need a schematic. Thanks, Paul.
Actually no, I never was able to find one. I just "winged" it when I rebuilt the last two. I did use the service manuals for the SA-500 and SA-600 for a "general" reference, but they are a bit different in many respects. Just do the "usual" checks on the amp boards like the drivers, predrivers, resistors and diodes. If one channel works, you have a near "perfect" reference for repairing the blown channel. Start a new thread for the STA-240 and we'll see if we can get yours going. Many transistors can be substituted for modern ones depending on which ones, and resistors/diodes are pretty standard too.
 
Skywatcher, thanks for the response.
Without a schematic I checked the outputs and found one shorted between the emitter and collector. Without the schematic I'm not sure of the e/c/b configuration, but it looks like the base didn't short. Today I made an offer on the 240 available on Ebay. Looks a bit rough, but maybe between the two I can get one working well.
 
Skywatcher, thanks for the response.
Without a schematic I checked the outputs and found one shorted between the emitter and collector. Without the schematic I'm not sure of the e/c/b configuration, but it looks like the base didn't short. Today I made an offer on the 240 available on Ebay. Looks a bit rough, but maybe between the two I can get one working well.
All TO-3 BJT output transistors are the same. The metal case is the Collector. to-3-metal-package-outline.jpg
 
Skywatcher, thanks for the response.
Without a schematic I checked the outputs and found one shorted between the emitter and collector. Without the schematic I'm not sure of the e/c/b configuration, but it looks like the base didn't short. Today I made an offer on the 240 available on Ebay. Looks a bit rough, but maybe between the two I can get one working well.
If E to C is shorted, more than likely the Emitter Resistor is open too. Just check *everything* and leave no stone unturned.
 
After wasting a huge amount of time reading through this Panasonic fan boy forum I have to show the best sounding Panasonic speakers ever. This particular model has a very good cabinet construction with a 1" or thicker front baffle, a 1.5" bottom 1" top and 3/4” sides which I reinforced more when I added the midrange box partition inside and ran 10 screws down the center of each side starting from 13" from the top down to 13" from the bottom. Then from center to front baffle. The hardest part was getting the pieces of wood inside the cabinets. I tried to knock out the bottom piece (which is actually the top now) with a big hammer and found it to be of the highest grade of construction. This was after I had just taken a hammer to 2 other cabinets that I was turning into scrap. The first was a Cerwin Vega 12" 3 way, it took exactly 1 swing and all 6 pieces were laying on the ground, I picked them up and stacked them in a single pile. Total time was less than 1 minute. The 2nd was a JC Penny MCS 10" 3 way which took 2 swings and it was in 6 pieces which stacked up nicely but had a few glue piles to scrape off before sawing into a new cabinet as you can see they went inside the Panasonic's.

Here's where it got tricky, after knocking 2 other cabinets into 6 pieces with a few seconds I was confident that I would easily have the bottom knocked off these and could start cutting the wood for the interior cabinet around the 8" drivers. I hit it a number of times and it did nothing (the same thing happened when I attempted to knock down a set of JansZen cabinets that were simply incorrectly designed from my point of view, I did try changing them but they needed much more than could be done with simple changes). So I got out a chisel and figured I could hit it closer the the back edge without chipping it too much. I did get it off but only 1/3 of it came off! It was just enough to slide my pieces into place using a hammer to do the final positioning. The second one I cut a notch out so it would glue easier.

These Panasonic speakers have really come to life now that every original driver was replaced, the cabinets were flipped upside down to fit the subs in where the mid and tweeter were mounted and a hole was cut for the transmission line port to blend in properly with the mids and tweeter array.
They are now powered by 3x QSC series 3 air cooled amps capable of delivering 1250WPC x2 into 2 ohms (with a 30 amp line which I don't have for each amp) but are putting out 625W to each set of drivers. Fed by a Beringer super-x pro CX3400 3 way active crossover. With crossover points at 70Hz and 650Hz. I also have some other stock pany speakers that were mentioned here and thats showing where they are positioned in my system. You may have noticed the unconventional way I have them placed. In a mountain of other speakers that have been cast into the never to be used area, facing a stack of ARs and Boston Acoustics, a marantz on top and behind with a sonic under it, on the unseen backside I believe there's a set of Polk's with more Polk's stacked on top of them.

So placement is very critical when listening to good speakers, you need to make sure you move all the crappy ones out of the way, preferably in there own pile forming a nice wall 3 layers deep and 12 feet long seems to work for me. This is the best placement for nearly every speaker I have heard since building my Panasonic's! A few have a spots that are still in playing positions but not connected to anything now, Snell E4s, Bose 901 series 3 with all new foam, Aztec Picasso (for audio history), Eosone 400's (I think, single 8" woofer) and another DIY set using some Jensen dual 8" cabinets which now have a set of vintage JansZen electrostats mounted on top with new MCM 8" for low/mids and dual 12" woofers slated to round out the bottom. Have drivers but am making new cabs for them.

I'm right there with all of you on Panasonic stuff, it can be made to sound
fantastic if you put in a little bit of thought and time, mine sound absolutely amazing, I'd say there are few speakers that I've heard that can even come close to these.

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Technics is Panasonic is National is Matshushita. So zinda is on solid ground when teasing. But I suspect most people would disagree that his speakers have anything to do with Technics et al at this point - new drivers, new cabinets, new loading, new crossover. And I also suspect most people would question identifying a hole as a transmission line, or woofers as subs. For all I know, the speakers do sound fantastic, but if you start with clever terminology, you'd better not make boo boos yourself.
 
this is a Technics thread?? Mispost?

Technics is Panasonic is National is Matshushita. So zinda is on solid ground when teasing. But I suspect most people would disagree that his speakers have anything to do with Technics et al at this point - new drivers, new cabinets, new loading, new crossover. And I also suspect most people would question identifying a hole as a transmission line, or woofers as subs. For all I know, the speakers do sound fantastic, but if you start with clever terminology, you'd better not make boo boos yourself.

It's pretty obvious that @zinda is just having a laugh. He's combined a bunch of cringe worthy things we see online all the time into one post. It's clearly a joke. At least I hope so
 
Technics is Panasonic is National is Matshushita. So zinda is on solid ground when teasing. But I suspect most people would disagree that his speakers have anything to do with Technics et al at this point - new drivers, new cabinets, new loading, new crossover. And I also suspect most people would question identifying a hole as a transmission line, or woofers as subs. For all I know, the speakers do sound fantastic, but if you start with clever terminology, you'd better not make boo boos yourself.

Those are actual subwoofers, I'm not sure anyone is making woofers that are as heavy duty as those. Plus when I adjust the crossover point higher than 150Hz they get that typical subwoofer sound that lets you know you cannot use them as mid woofers. That's what the dual 8s are for. The way I designed the inside partition is not merely a square box around those 2 rights. The box is slanted as it nears the top, area changes from 8"x10.5" open at the bottom and ends up at 5"x10.5" then the top of the box is slanted at an angle toward the port the upper back corner is where I made my cut to slide the pieces inside the cabinet and after I glued and screwed it in place I added a piece of wood on a 45 degree angle that covers that area where the cut is and it acts to move the air towards the port I forget the exact distance from center if cone to port opening but these are merely test cabinets to make sure the idea will work before starting to draw up do e real cabinets with similar dimensions only placing the 8s closer to the tweeters. What I'm going to do is mount the 8s horizontally below the panels and have the port in between the 8s, I haven't figured out a bullshit term or name for this arrangement yet but since it seems to be the new thing. Lasting your name on where you cut the holes seems to be nothing that should be able to copyright but who knows maybe the Zinda configuration will catch on. I have 4x12s slated to take over for the 2x10s, I'm going with pressed paper cones to try and keep the movement fast and not going with anything long excursion. Things gotta remain very quick the amps I'm using have damping factors near 1000 at 80Hz for 8 ohm and 500 for 4 ohm so the control is there. I have yet to even come close to bottoming out any drivers yet and it's playing pretty loud most times.

The weird thing with that many watts is when you crank it up it doesn't seem to be as loud as you normally relate loud volumes in comparison to the distortion that is normally present with volumes over 120db. Or fir that matter 100+db on many typical receivers. I only realize the volume when I go outside to do something and I can hear it plain as day with all doors shut and Ive never had it passed 1/3 volume on my NAD pre. I have an old AZDEN dual 15 band eq with spectrum and pink noise and pure tone generator with a microphone input on it that runs on the side input of the pre. I use the low voltage outputs and still find it a bit scarry when I turn it on, it starts in a muted state, that allows me to turn the volume down to zero before I turn on any amps. Having a remote for the pre is the best thing. I'm still dealing the crossover points. Brand new Beringer replaced a JBL 3 way that just never seemed to work properly. Things didn't make sense and changed which knobs were affecting each output? Junk! Things are solid now but it will take me a month before I get everything set up perfectly again. Then I'll make new cabinets and start the entire process over again. Oh I also have a set of 15" brand new subs that are poly with rubber surrounds, not long excursion that could be used instead of the 12s, what I originally was planning on and still haven't completely ruled out is 4x8" in each cabinet mounted in clamshell isobaric configuration with the back side of the cones mounted to the back of the cabinet just under the midbass enclosure which will be sealed. Port will be slotted in the center at the top of the cabinet probably in a vee shape between the 8s and cut to follow the contour of the outer edges or one in either top corner cut in a slanted vee shape using both cabinets to form the ports. My biggest worry is the change in distance from the subs to the port since the cabinets will be wider and shorter than these. There will room behind the enclosure for the midbass for the air to move and compress slightly as it moves toward the ports. Again I'll add a corner fill piece along the bottom and top edges to remove standing waves or turbulence that will form. A simple 2 chamber box will be much easier to design from scratch being able to choose my own dimensions is always better than using left over cabinets for testing and modifying like I had to. It's tricky assembling an inner cabinet when you have limited access to the construction. Had to slide it up and work through the holes, then pound it down to put the other pieces on it then figure out how to get it back in place once it was together. It was cut to fit exact and didn't move easily. Big hammers and a bunch of preplanning went into that simple isolated area plus there's very little wood between the speakers to make a connection, there's a screw under the subs rim that holds the lower boards in place due to the angle that I used to keep air flow smooth passed the enclosure.
Even though they look like hell and they probably would be the last speakers someone would steal given the chance, they have put ever speaker I've ever heard to shame. So much so that I now have a problem listening to the mass produced garbage that people pay huge $ for. I'm slowly turning into a snob that needs to see the amp wattage be more than the price of all components combined before I would consider it to worth hearing at any level. Mine sounds unbelievable at low volumes as well as high volumes with no sibilance no matter where you set any controls, no bottoming out no matter where you set the controls. My eq us nearly flat with the a bit if attenuation at the highest and lowest frequencies. Active crossovers simply are the best way to do anything, I use not 1 cap, nothing is between the amp and drivers except wire. The stats can be ran as low as you want without any fear of burning them up. The sound is unmatched and they just go louder and louder as the volume goes up. I can sit hear and tell you this all day but none of it matters unless you come by and see hundreds of speakers stacked up ready to sell, Klipsch Heresy 1 and 2s, KG2s, quintets, multimedias, all will never be used again. Celestion, Boston Acoustics, CV, Technics, pioneer, Sonic, countless JBL and Infinity are never going to be contacted to my system, Canton, DCM, phase tech, Atlantic tech, def tech, all the techs, PSB, BIC, marantz, RTR, AR, mirage, naddy, Sony, Onkyo, technics, Yamaha, other DIY I didn't make, some Brazilian made, radio shack, advent, flaunce, jamo, newer klipsch, vintage Infinity 3000, studio monitors, a slew of others that I have forgotten I even own will never be connected but I will keep KLH MODEL 16, BOSE 901iii, Eosone 400 and sub will probably go (forgot), Snell E v4, Aztec picasso will stay with me. The Snell are the only ones that I think sound decent, Bose - just because it breaks all the rules, if you never owned a set buy some now while they're cheap, you'll understand once you run 500watts per channel to them and use a BBE sonic maximizer instead of bose's junk eqs and you can also ad a cheap EQ for more shaping but only need 3 bands to get them working a dual 10 or 15 band + BBE is perfect, the Aztecs (Colorado based company) are audio history. Only company that I know of that actually was caught using a competitors drivers and sued (Infinity), they went out of business shortly after losing the case. Not bad speakers rare.

Oh one more point I'm looking for a pair of totl Allisons.or any JansZen models I'm willing to trade a pile of your choice or comparable.

Ok Im done and will leave this thread alone now, the joke was my technics are the best now that they have no technics drivers in them, the placement of the technics that I haven't changed drivers was shown to be sounding best when disconnected and stacked in a mountain of other useless speakers that at one time or another were considered to be good and sold for a fair amount of cash in their day.

I won't be back to reply so you guys can all jump on me and bash me, just watch for my completed projects after the winter, it's too hot in AZ to do anything outside.
Good luck with your technics/Panasonic gear, I don't think they made anything that puts out over 500Watts per channel and is 1 ohm stable so in my book they don't exist as an audio company that is worth buying.
 
1977/1978...
My first real stereo was a Technics SA5370 receiver. I liked it well enough. Paid the same as my friends lower powered Pioneer SX550. I always thought his sounded better driving the same speakers (Genesis II). 2 years later upgraded my Technics receiver to a Sony Vfet TA4650 (still in use).

My first cassette deck was a Technics RS631. Nice, but my friends Sony TCK5 sounded better in a side by side recording/playback test, and was just a bit more coin. After 6 months, I sold my Technics and got the Sony cassette deck. Used it for 25 years.

Another friend had a 35wpc integrated Technics from the same time frame - I forget the model number. It sounded really good.

Technics were always known for good mass marketed turntables.

Just my 2 cents....and a reflection from when my ears were better, today's vintage was still new, and I had almost no money...
 
Those are actual subwoofers, I'm not sure anyone is making woofers that are as heavy duty as those. Plus when I adjust the crossover point higher than 150Hz they get that typical subwoofer sound that lets you know you cannot use them as mid woofers. That's what the dual 8s are for. The way I designed the inside partition is not merely a square box around those 2 rights. The box is slanted as it nears the top, area changes from 8"x10.5" open at the bottom and ends up at 5"x10.5" then the top of the box is slanted at an angle toward the port the upper back corner is where I made my cut to slide the pieces inside the cabinet and after I glued and screwed it in place I added a piece of wood on a 45 degree angle that covers that area where the cut is and it acts to move the air towards the port I forget the exact distance from center if cone to port opening but these are merely test cabinets to make sure the idea will work before starting to draw up do e real cabinets with similar dimensions only placing the 8s closer to the tweeters. What I'm going to do is mount the 8s horizontally below the panels and have the port in between the 8s, I haven't figured out a bullshit term or name for this arrangement yet but since it seems to be the new thing. Lasting your name on where you cut the holes seems to be nothing that should be able to copyright but who knows maybe the Zinda configuration will catch on. I have 4x12s slated to take over for the 2x10s, I'm going with pressed paper cones to try and keep the movement fast and not going with anything long excursion. Things gotta remain very quick the amps I'm using have damping factors near 1000 at 80Hz for 8 ohm and 500 for 4 ohm so the control is there. I have yet to even come close to bottoming out any drivers yet and it's playing pretty loud most times.

The weird thing with that many watts is when you crank it up it doesn't seem to be as loud as you normally relate loud volumes in comparison to the distortion that is normally present with volumes over 120db. Or fir that matter 100+db on many typical receivers. I only realize the volume when I go outside to do something and I can hear it plain as day with all doors shut and Ive never had it passed 1/3 volume on my NAD pre. I have an old AZDEN dual 15 band eq with spectrum and pink noise and pure tone generator with a microphone input on it that runs on the side input of the pre. I use the low voltage outputs and still find it a bit scarry when I turn it on, it starts in a muted state, that allows me to turn the volume down to zero before I turn on any amps. Having a remote for the pre is the best thing. I'm still dealing the crossover points. Brand new Beringer replaced a JBL 3 way that just never seemed to work properly. Things didn't make sense and changed which knobs were affecting each output? Junk! Things are solid now but it will take me a month before I get everything set up perfectly again. Then I'll make new cabinets and start the entire process over again. Oh I also have a set of 15" brand new subs that are poly with rubber surrounds, not long excursion that could be used instead of the 12s, what I originally was planning on and still haven't completely ruled out is 4x8" in each cabinet mounted in clamshell isobaric configuration with the back side of the cones mounted to the back of the cabinet just under the midbass enclosure which will be sealed. Port will be slotted in the center at the top of the cabinet probably in a vee shape between the 8s and cut to follow the contour of the outer edges or one in either top corner cut in a slanted vee shape using both cabinets to form the ports. My biggest worry is the change in distance from the subs to the port since the cabinets will be wider and shorter than these. There will room behind the enclosure for the midbass for the air to move and compress slightly as it moves toward the ports. Again I'll add a corner fill piece along the bottom and top edges to remove standing waves or turbulence that will form. A simple 2 chamber box will be much easier to design from scratch being able to choose my own dimensions is always better than using left over cabinets for testing and modifying like I had to. It's tricky assembling an inner cabinet when you have limited access to the construction. Had to slide it up and work through the holes, then pound it down to put the other pieces on it then figure out how to get it back in place once it was together. It was cut to fit exact and didn't move easily. Big hammers and a bunch of preplanning went into that simple isolated area plus there's very little wood between the speakers to make a connection, there's a screw under the subs rim that holds the lower boards in place due to the angle that I used to keep air flow smooth passed the enclosure.
Even though they look like hell and they probably would be the last speakers someone would steal given the chance, they have put ever speaker I've ever heard to shame. So much so that I now have a problem listening to the mass produced garbage that people pay huge $ for. I'm slowly turning into a snob that needs to see the amp wattage be more than the price of all components combined before I would consider it to worth hearing at any level. Mine sounds unbelievable at low volumes as well as high volumes with no sibilance no matter where you set any controls, no bottoming out no matter where you set the controls. My eq us nearly flat with the a bit if attenuation at the highest and lowest frequencies. Active crossovers simply are the best way to do anything, I use not 1 cap, nothing is between the amp and drivers except wire. The stats can be ran as low as you want without any fear of burning them up. The sound is unmatched and they just go louder and louder as the volume goes up. I can sit hear and tell you this all day but none of it matters unless you come by and see hundreds of speakers stacked up ready to sell, Klipsch Heresy 1 and 2s, KG2s, quintets, multimedias, all will never be used again. Celestion, Boston Acoustics, CV, Technics, pioneer, Sonic, countless JBL and Infinity are never going to be contacted to my system, Canton, DCM, phase tech, Atlantic tech, def tech, all the techs, PSB, BIC, marantz, RTR, AR, mirage, naddy, Sony, Onkyo, technics, Yamaha, other DIY I didn't make, some Brazilian made, radio shack, advent, flaunce, jamo, newer klipsch, vintage Infinity 3000, studio monitors, a slew of others that I have forgotten I even own will never be connected but I will keep KLH MODEL 16, BOSE 901iii, Eosone 400 and sub will probably go (forgot), Snell E v4, Aztec picasso will stay with me. The Snell are the only ones that I think sound decent, Bose - just because it breaks all the rules, if you never owned a set buy some now while they're cheap, you'll understand once you run 500watts per channel to them and use a BBE sonic maximizer instead of bose's junk eqs and you can also ad a cheap EQ for more shaping but only need 3 bands to get them working a dual 10 or 15 band + BBE is perfect, the Aztecs (Colorado based company) are audio history. Only company that I know of that actually was caught using a competitors drivers and sued (Infinity), they went out of business shortly after losing the case. Not bad speakers rare.

Oh one more point I'm looking for a pair of totl Allisons.or any JansZen models I'm willing to trade a pile of your choice or comparable.

Ok Im done and will leave this thread alone now, the joke was my technics are the best now that they have no technics drivers in them, the placement of the technics that I haven't changed drivers was shown to be sounding best when disconnected and stacked in a mountain of other useless speakers that at one time or another were considered to be good and sold for a fair amount of cash in their day.

I won't be back to reply so you guys can all jump on me and bash me, just watch for my completed projects after the winter, it's too hot in AZ to do anything outside.
Good luck with your technics/Panasonic gear, I don't think they made anything that puts out over 500Watts per channel and is 1 ohm stable so in my book they don't exist as an audio company that is worth buying.
And you point is????
 
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