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Top Ten Most Influential Speakers Last 50 Years

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The Bose 901? I'll give the article the Bose AM-5. Every company hocking wares in a big box came up with something to compete with those. But who tried to ape the 901? What exactly did it influence?

I thought the same, it a speaker that did things very differently and arguably did some things quite well but I can't think of how it changed the speaker world.
 
The Bose 901? I'll give the article the Bose AM-5. Every company hocking wares in a big box came up with something to compete with those. But who tried to ape the 901? What exactly did it influence?
The influence he speaks of is not influence to make 9-speaker reflected sound speakers. It was an influence to think outside the box when it came to speaker design. I think his premise was that The 901 didn't change the industry, but it got a lot of engineers thinking outside the box.
 
Well, I was going to say that "the last 50 years" is a clever way to exclude Klipschorns (70 years) and Quads (59 years), but they included the Klipschorns, so.....
.....the list is wrong. :deal:

Both the BBC LS3/5A and the M&K satellite/sub did more to influence small speakers than the Bose Acoustimass, imo.
AR, Advent, and KLH all included together strikes me as redundant.
Not sure what the L100 influenced.
Dahlquist DQ-10s belong, and begat Vandersteen, and Thiel.

We had a top 5 thread awhile ago. I picked:
AR3
Klipschorn
Quad ESL
Magnepan
the BBC

The next five are difficult, but I'd go with:
Dahlquist
Miller & Kreisel
Infinity
Bose
Lowther

...with honorable mention going to the Jensen co-axial car speaker.

There. That should leave plenty of room for argument!
 
There is a difference in the top 5 speakers and the 5 most influential speakers. The best speakers didn't always change the industry. And in some cases, some pretty average or even inferior sounding speakers did. And of course, both lists are very subjective
 
That ought be a crime. Bose AIM5 shouldn't be on that list.

Quads, DQ10s, LS4/5As, Ohm's, and IMFs should all be on such a list. Vandersteens were also fairly significant.
Again, playing devils advocate, he didn't claim AM5's were superior speakers. Their design coincided with the development of home theater, and his choice of size and design allowed a lot of men to convince their wives to let them mount 5 speakers on the wall in their living room. Ask me how I know. :biggrin:
 
Again, playing devils advocate, he didn't claim AM5's were superior speakers. Their design coincided with the development of home theater, and his choice of size and design allowed a lot of men to convince their wives to let them mount 5 speakers on the wall in their living room. Ask me how I know. :biggrin:

IMO, Bose was the primary company to be able to capitalize on the idea that small point source speakers with specific frequency range coverage could give the illusion of more sound, or bigger speakers, or multiple sources, and when coupled with a air mass subwoofer, could again give the illusion of decent sound. What it did, IMO, was create the idea that you could accept much poorer sound for aesthetics in room design and interior space use. B&O had done great design and smaller speakers but it was much more costly and not to everyone's taste. IMO, Bose got people to accept the compromises they pushed out in the name of a hidden audio system - same as the Bose Wave radio systems. They were also able to push across the idea that tiny, relatively cheap drivers used with enough EQ, additional power, and acoustic and phase tricks could sound initially useful. But increase the volume, ask for real low frequency power, and get beyond the drivers limited excursion capability and the real limitations of the parts, electronics and the true limited frequency responses became quite evident, at least in my experience.

But at that point, it was all moot because it was the only speakers you could have in your house, your listening area was now dominated by appearance and not sound quality, and even placement became a matter of where to put them rather than optimization. Just because you can hear 4 surround sources doesn't mean they integrate well or provide full range and reasonably flat frequency response, plus give a true soundstage and ambient field. IMO, they were well marketed to the casual music listener rather than the audiophile, and as such, did achieve commercial success.

IMO, the BBC LS3/5a, the ADS L300 / L200 (with the similar Visonik David / Braun derivatives), and the M&K satellites of the era were the first well engineered and generally audiophile sounding small speakers with true capabilities of imaging and broad coverage (a nod should also be given to the Dynaco A-10). However, dedicated and widely available subwoofers to cover the missing mid and low bass were not really available as most adhered to a ported or sealed box enclosure and were quite large. This changed when M&K introduced their Volkswoofer and some of the first quality powered subwoofers. Bose's air mass subs, using variations on T/S developments was instrumental in making subs very small (but still limited in true capability - you can hear them, but you can't really push them) which have persisted to the computer subs of the late 90's-2000's. That Bose then patented the air mass sub design (and double and triple chamber type units, even getting JBL to abandon a much more useful professional sub - the TCB) to prevent others from using it even though, IMO, they were not the first to develop it.

There were probably 10-20 makes of sub/sat systems in the mid to late 70's to mid 80's, notably, Fried / SoniKit, Rogers, ADS, Triad, M&K, JBL's L212, etc. But again, most looked like typical box like speakers (I forgot the cylindrical Jim Rogers JR149's / sub system and the Dalesford D shaped system) and of course the larger Dahlquist DQ-10 / DQ-1W system.

The referenced article is more centered around commercial success coincident with introductions of new or refined versions of speaker tech. In that sense, the Dynaco A25 should have been on the list as well, having been extremely popular and well sold in the US despite being made in Denmark.
 
IMO, Bose was the primary company to be able to capitalize on the idea that small point source speakers with specific frequency range coverage could give the illusion of more sound, or bigger speakers, or multiple sources, and when coupled with a air mass subwoofer, could again give the illusion of decent sound. What it did, IMO, was create the idea that you could accept much poorer sound for aesthetics in room design and interior space use. B&O had done great design and smaller speakers but it was much more costly and not to everyone's taste. IMO, Bose got people to accept the compromises they pushed out in the name of a hidden audio system - same as the Bose Wave radio systems. They were also able to push across the idea that tiny, relatively cheap drivers used with enough EQ, additional power, and acoustic and phase tricks could sound initially useful. But increase the volume, ask for real low frequency power, and get beyond the drivers limited excursion capability and the real limitations of the parts, electronics and the true limited frequency responses became quite evident, at least in my experience.

But at that point, it was all moot because it was the only speakers you could have in your house, your listening area was now dominated by appearance and not sound quality, and even placement became a matter of where to put them rather than optimization. Just because you can hear 4 surround sources doesn't mean they integrate well or provide full range and reasonably flat frequency response, plus give a true soundstage and ambient field. IMO, they were well marketed to the casual music listener rather than the audiophile, and as such, did achieve commercial success.

IMO, the BBC LS3/5a, the ADS L300 / L200 (with the similar Visonik David / Braun derivatives), and the M&K satellites of the era were the first well engineered and generally audiophile sounding small speakers with true capabilities of imaging and broad coverage (a nod should also be given to the Dynaco A-10). However, dedicated and widely available subwoofers to cover the missing mid and low bass were not really available as most adhered to a ported or sealed box enclosure and were quite large. This changed when M&K introduced their Volkswoofer and some of the first quality powered subwoofers. Bose's air mass subs, using variations on T/S developments was instrumental in making subs very small (but still limited in true capability - you can hear them, but you can't really push them) which have persisted to the computer subs of the late 90's-2000's. That Bose then patented the air mass sub design (and double and triple chamber type units, even getting JBL to abandon a much more useful professional sub - the TCB) to prevent others from using it even though, IMO, they were not the first to develop it.

There were probably 10-20 makes of sub/sat systems in the mid to late 70's to mid 80's, notably, Fried / SoniKit, Rogers, ADS, Triad, M&K, JBL's L212, etc. But again, most looked like typical box like speakers (I forgot the cylindrical Jim Rogers JR149's / sub system and the Dalesford D shaped system) and of course the larger Dahlquist DQ-10 / DQ-1W system.

The referenced article is more centered around commercial success coincident with introductions of new or refined versions of speaker tech. In that sense, the Dynaco A25 should have been on the list as well, having been extremely popular and well sold in the US despite being made in Denmark.
I completely agree. Bose capitalized on the shift from stereo music listening, where customers demanded the highest fidelity, to surround sound listening, where the feel and the surround sound experience topped sound fidelity for the masses. I was one of those people. In the early 90's, I decided vinyl and analog were dead, and I really wasn't listening to my Marantz system very much. I sold it for pennies on the dollar at a garage sale and bought a Sony Pro-logic system and Bose surround sound system to get on the home theater bandwagon. The wife would never have allowed 5 large speakers plus sub, but I talked her into the small sized system. How was the sound quality? It sucked. But it was for movies, not music. All I wanted to hear was helicopters going across the room and I wanted to feel explosions. Bose accomplished both. How do I feel about that now? About the same way I feel about the clothes and hairstyles I had in the 70's. Doesn't make a lot of sense in hindsight, but it did then. So, what did Bose do in my opinion? They used mass marketing and innovative in-store marketing to grab a giant market share of the home theater market. At the time it was about gee-whiz - look what I can do with my TV and sound system. Today, I still have the same system, and I turn it on about once a year. The thrill of home theater is gone for me. And I have renewed my interest in high fidelity audio, so have acquired quality speakers, several Marantz receivers and restored my old Dual 1229. While some of you guys never left the audio world, I think I am similar to a lot of baby boomers who left it to our youth for a while and then came back to it as we realized how much we enjoyed it, and just simply wanted to regain a little slice of our earlier years.
 
I'd drop the Thiel's and add Vandersteens, also the Definitive Technologies towers of the mid nineties were pretty influential....
 
No ADS??? But then again, I'm very biased. I thought the L2030's or L1530's would have been given at least honorable mention.
 
No ADS??? But then again, I'm very biased. I thought the L2030's or L1530's would have been given at least honorable mention.
I think you're slipping away from the "influential" specification. A great speaker yes, but I can't recall any other sticky dome midranges out there.
 
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