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Toyota Tacoma Is Up For Sale Thinking Of Either Titan or Tundra

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Mister Pig

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OK the Tacoma got posted yesterday, had 3 good inquiries, have one scheduled appointment this morning. Guy seems serious, asks if I have title in hand, things look interesting.

So I am seriously looking at my next truck off the used market, and I think I have things short listed to either a Tundra or a Titan.

Anyone have pro's or cons for either truck? I am looking at around the 2006 to 2012 range. Have an eye on a couple of nice 2010 Tundras. It looks like I get a decent buy for my money with them. But is there a reason to stay away from them?

I am planning on buying in short order once my truck leaves. Which may be today, and may not. We will see.

Cheers
Mister Pig
 
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I have a 2014 Nissan Frontier. I love it. Can’t go wrong with either. My Frontier is a long bed crew cab. It rides much better than the short wheelbase and the extra length comes in handy.
 
I had a 2010 Tundra . A very well built truck . They are bigger than the normal 1/2 ton truck so space is a consideration. The 4.6 ltr engine is too small for the truck . I had the 5.7ltr, good motor, very thirsty . I have had F150's ,Chevy Silverado, currently a Ram 1500, the Tundra was by far the thirstiest and worst riding. I have no experience with the Titan , but it s also quite large .

My two cents worth .
 
I have a 2007 Titan 4x4 that I purchased new with only 57k miles on it now and has not had one problem. The 2004-2005 Titans had rear end issues that were corrected on later years. Two other guys at work have Titans over 100k miles and never had any issues either. Great trucks!
 
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I have friends that have both and one was looking at new .Biggest issue across the board is they love stopping at gas stations more so than ford ,chev, and ram.
 
I have a 2006 Tundra, last year for the mid sized truck. The 05 & 06 4.7L V8's have more horsepower and torque due to variable valve timing, and get better gas mileage with a 5 speed automatic. I get 17 - 20 mpg on mostly highway trips, and around 15.5 mpg towing a 2000 lbs trailer. That's for the 2wd, I'd expect 1 - 2 mpg less with 4wd.
 
Frame rust through on Toyota trucks (poor quality steel) and possibly Nissan as their cars rust badly. Google it!
 
The 2018 Titan Warrior, if your gonna buy a truck and keep it for quite a while you might as well get something worth keeping for quite a while, plus special edition vehicles hold their resale value longer and have great sound systems. A 2000 Ford Lightning pickup is still worth more than $15,000....
 
You're making a big mistake selling your 'Yota. Great trucks, bulletproof motors. You must be in the 'I wanna newer vehicle phase.' :no:

Ask me how I know,...

Owned a '93 P/U Xcab 4WD 5spd w/ 22RE motor. 175K, AC blew cold, LTX MS tires, no rust, no lift, purred like a kitten,...that is/was until a DUI driver totaled her while it sat parked on the street. Wish I could find another one.

Can't tell you how many day-laborers would approach me at intersections and ask me if I wanted to sell her. Good luck but I think you'll regret it. :biggrin:

EDIT: Replaced my P/U w/ an '06 T4R SE so IMHO, you're in a decent year range for Toyotas.
 
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Mister Pig said:
Does it? I had not seen that.
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Consumer Reports gives them a bad reliability rating and they rate the Tundra as best among full size pickups.

Toyota did have the frame rust through issue, which was a result of Dana supplying substandard parts. Toyota's solution was they either replaced the frame or gave the owner a very high trade in value for a new truck. I thought they handled it very well.

My wife drives a 2008 Highlander. In 140K miles it's needed only one thing beyond normal maintenance and that was a water pump at 130K.
 
That's because Toyota spec'd that quality of steel to save $ and also make it only last so long and they have been doing it since they sold trucks. Watch their sub frames on other vehicles also. They also only gave the original owner the new still the same quality frame or trade in, and only if you regularly spent big bucks at their dealerships on servicing them.

Other's have tried it also as it doesn't seem to hurt Toyota they figured well if they can do it, why not us. So avoid 1998-2003 Ford Ranger's and 2004-2008 Ford F-150 Club Cabs. Also check 97 up F-150 to 2003 Check GM trucks from this century and their small trucks of all years. Actually check any maker's small truck or SUV.
 
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That's because Toyota spec'd that quality of steel to save $ and also make it only last so long and they have been doing it since they sold trucks. Watch their sub frames on other vehicles also. They also only gave the original owner the new still the same quality frame or trade in, and only if you regularly spent big bucks at their dealerships on servicing them.

Other's have tried it also as it doesn't seem to hurt Toyota they figured well if they can do it, why not us. So avoid 1998-2003 Ford Ranger's and 2004-2008 Ford F-150 Club Cabs. Also check 97 up F-150 to 2003 Check GM trucks from this century and their small trucks of all years. Actually check any maker's small truck or SUV.
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I actually read a fair bit about the case when it happened. In this specific case, Dana hadn't met the spec and I do understand the engineering aspects of dealing with suppliers. As I said, my wife has a 12yo Highlander and it lives in a high salt area. It's doing quite well on rust including underneath with subframes, suspension components, etc. When they did the trade in, they gave people much more than the book value on the trucks.

On the other hand, my dad just got rid of a '97 Ford Expedition. From a rust perspective, it was awful. The frame was heavily rusted and the brake line material used was pathetic. I hope Ford has gotten better since.

IME, the best manufacturer from a rust perspective is Audi (realizing they don't make trucks). The bodies are 100% galvanized and the underbody hardware is also very rust resistant. That's good because they have so many other failures that the last thing you need to deal with is frozen hardware.
 
I have seen Toyota trucks here that have used the scrap grade steel since beginning of their sales in NA so that's the way they do things and it was only in this century that they had to help people thanks to the internet ! It's Doubtful that they have made any changes on the pickups frames quality as of lately as they have never announced anything publicly and the warranty is the same.

I have seen old domestic truck frames that have surface rust (which that Expedition may only have) and own a few which is not the same as rot and rust through.

Porsche was actually the first with that heavy galvanized steel in the late 70's then Audi followed in the 80's.
 
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You're making a big mistake selling your 'Yota. Great trucks, bulletproof motors. You must be in the 'I wanna newer vehicle phase.' :no:

Ask me how I know,...

Owned a '93 P/U Xcab 4WD 5spd w/ 22RE motor. 175K, AC blew cold, LTX MS tires, no rust, no lift, purred like a kitten,...that is/was until a DUI driver totaled her while it sat parked on the street. Wish I could find another one.

Can't tell you how many day-laborers would approach me at intersections and ask me if I wanted to sell her. Good luck but I think you'll regret it. :biggrin:

EDIT: Replaced my P/U w/ an '06 T4R SE so IMHO, you're in a decent year range for Toyotas.
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Need 4WD and an extended cab. I spent 4 days stuck in our house in the last snow storm because I could not climb out of our culde sac with it. I spent 24 years in Eastern Washington driving 35 miles each way to work in winter weather, so I know how to drive. I could not get this truck out of here, the snow in the PNW has so much moisture, as does the air that the stuff turns to ice overnight. My mom is 93 and lives 25 miles away, not being able to get out of here is unacceptable, and not going to happen again. You drive a decent 4WD with some intelligence and you can drive through some nasty conditions.

Cheers
Mister Pig
 
PabloX said:
Consumer Reports gives them a bad reliability rating and they rate the Tundra as best among full size pickups.

Toyota did have the frame rust through issue, which was a result of Dana supplying substandard parts. Toyota's solution was they either replaced the frame or gave the owner a very high trade in value for a new truck. I thought they handled it very well.

My wife drives a 2008 Highlander. In 140K miles it's needed only one thing beyond normal maintenance and that was a water pump at 130K.
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This is the basic report under Auto Trader I believe, found this info.

In its early years, the Titan does not have a very good reputation for durability and quality. Consumer Reports gives the 04-07 models average to worse than average ratings, but after 2009, the Titan does a complete turnabout scoring above average scores in all categories. Reading through some of the enthusiast sites such as Titantalk.com and ClubTitan.org, it seems that early model 2004-2007 trucks suffered from leaking seals in the front and rear differentials and in the axles that caused expensive hardware failures. Owners also report excessive noise from the differentials. 2008 and newer trucks use different seals and seem to have tackled the problem. Other areas of concern are early model brakes being too small and prone to wear and some body hardware issues. On the flip side, most Titan owners love their trucks versatility, comfort and features and many on the forums have opted for another, even those who experienced early model mishaps.

Also found some information on another site, believe it was a review for the 2018 Titan that historically speaking the Titan was the worst selling full sized truck in the US, with the Tundra being the next worse selling model. The top 3 still being Ford, Chevy, Dodge, and not sure of the order. Perhaps I will look at the domestics again, and I did see an interesting Ram 1500, and a Silverado 1500. The Ford is ugly inside, don't really care for the layout. And I used to own a 1990 F150, and loved that truck. Until my Tacoma sells I got time to evaluate options.

Part of it is I am shopping the used market. And value becomes related to price, condition, and availability. What is the best buy for me is what meets my needs, and has been well taken care of, and what I can afford. It may not be the theoretical best model. I am also the first to admit that I can suffer from analysis paralysis, in that I sift and sift through all options and sometimes even wait too long to make a decision on a good choice. So we will see how it all turns out.

Cheers
Mister Pig
 
I’m a fan of Japanese cars, but recently I’ve been looking at trucks. Light duty, my first choice would be a Honda Ridgeline. Heavier duty, Ford F-150. Big-time towing, Ford F-250.
 
Honda has no frame so can't tow much and the engine will self destruct if you try. It's basically an Accord with a box added and the V6 is very light duty. Earlier ones used a lot of fuel also and this new gen just out in 2017 is better in that regard.
 
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