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Tried OxiClean to wash records in the sink

Wigwam Jones

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I bought some records at a couple local thrift stores over the weekend, and I cleaned a few of them as usual; in the sink, with dish soap, tap water, and paint pads.

However, I recently bought a very small tub of OxiClean Versatile, the original powder form of the product that used to be heavily advertised on late-night television infomercials. I've used it before on stained clothes and found it worked well. The reason I bought some recently was to try to clean some dirty old 'woven cane' style speaker grills (seems to work pretty well for that).

So I thought I'd try some to clean a few records. I mixed the powder with the dish soap and added water in a bowl, then mixed it up. Took a bit more water than usual to get the powder to go into solution, but it did eventually. So it was a pretty strong solution when I had it complete.

I used it on paint pads just like I use dish soap by itself, and I noticed a couple differences right away.

First, it's hard on non-coated paper labels. Most records have coated labels, not plain paper. Only the cheapest record labels used plain paper. But if you have them, the OxiClean will start to work on them right away. So lesson learned there. On coated labels, I saw no problems at all.

Second, it leaves the record feeling pretty slimy and slippery until you rinse it, but it rinses off pretty easily and leaves that squeaky clean feeling. I can't tell if there is any residue left, but it sure doesn't feel like it.

I rinsed the records in plain tap water, wiped them carefully with clean dry microfiber cloths as usual, and put them in the dish drainer for the labels to dry.

The end result? Seems to be just as good as plain dish soap. Perhaps better, I cannot say for sure. But definitely no worse. I also played about a dozen of the records thus cleaned and checked the stylus carefully to see if it was picking up any gunk; it was not. So it appears to me that the records are left clean and without residue that might come up when played.

YMMV, so use your own best judgement. I'll probably experiment with this concoction again soon; I've still got a hundred or so records to clean. If I see any adverse affects (other than plain paper labels), I will report same.
 
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Wiggy - ! would not use it. Why? The reason it cleans spots is that it oxidizes them with oxygen. You might be damaging the vinyl polymer of the record.

Being slimy or slick means that it is a caustic (reads base like soda ash). That could cause issues also.

OK, I didn't know that. Not seeing any negative results so far, but if it's damaging them, I guess that's bad. These are 50 cent records, though. Thankfully. Nothing valuable.

Do you really think that the short period of time they're exposed to it damages them, though? I could see if I soaked them in it, but for just a short time? Seems to me that there are plastic parts in my washing machine; it doesn't seem to damage them when I clean my clothes with the stuff. Just curious.
 
I concur with my esteemed colleague above; a priori risk assessment suggests risks outweigh benefits, at least for a record deemed valuable to one's collection.

I, too, would assume that the "oxi" is an 'oxygen bleach' (most likely an organic peroxide or maybe even periodate) which could certainly react with the vinyl polymer. Oxidation of vinyl would probably tend to make it hard/brittle (it is normally a very soft material).

And, yeah, the slimy-ness is most likely alkali (high pH) - strongly alkaline residues feel unctuous because the caustic actually spaonifies nonpolar molecules (oil/grease) in the outermost surface of one's skin :-) It will rinse away asymptotically with plenty of water... but strong base isn't good for most plastics (increased time or temperature of the exposure, of course, will exacerbate the issue).
 
I think everyone's being a little harsh here. OxiClean's active ingredients are hydrogen peroxide and sodium carbonate. Vinyl (PVC) is resistant to reaction with hydrogen peroxide under a wide range of pHs (sodium carbonate just increases the pH, it makes solutions basic). I don't believe it harms the records at all.
 
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OxiClean was developed by OCI Company Ltd., in South Korea. One of the active ingredients in OxiClean is sodium percarbonate (Na2CO3•H2O2), an adduct of sodium carbonate (Na2CO3) and hydrogen peroxide (H2O2).[3]

I sort of know what that means.
 
MRH and myself are two chemists.

Me too. There are solids that when dissolved generate H2O2. The "sliminess" can be attributed to other organic junk (from fingers, sleeves, fungi, etc.) that has accumulated on the records over the years.

That being said, I agree that it's better to be safe than sorry.
 
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I get by with fairy dishwash liquid for general record cleanings..and CIF bath cleaner for really stubborn non-valuables. Spray on..leave for a couple of minutes and rinse thoroughly. It's probably the most effective cleaner I've experimented with for those records where nothing else will do. No averse effect noted to date and some previously unplayable records have ended up sounding as good as new. But, as mentioned above you have to protect some of the cheaper labels and it's probably safer to use an approved cleaner solution for valuable recordings.
 
OxiClean Versatile MSDS

Chemical Ingredients % By Wt.

Sodium carbonate 50-75%
Sodium percarbonate 30-45%
Ethoxylated Alcohol 1-3%
Sodium polycarboxylate 1%
Sodium metasilicate 1%

I'm not a chemist, but I wonder if the 'slimy' feel is just the effect on the users skin and not the record?
 
Well, I appreciate all the responses! I will most definitely take it easy on the OxiClean on records in future. However, bear in mind that this is all in the nature of an experiment for me, and it was done on some 50 cent thrift store records. I haven't gone and done this to valuable or rare vinyl, nor will I. Just playing around and trying things. I'm not noting any damage, in fact the records are amazingly shiny and seem very very clean, but as noted, perhaps the damage is something I can't see. So I take note of the warnings, thanks, all.
 
OxiClean Versatile MSDS

Chemical Ingredients % By Wt.

Sodium carbonate 50-75%
Sodium percarbonate 30-45%
Ethoxylated Alcohol 1-3%
Sodium polycarboxylate 1%
Sodium metasilicate 1%

I'm not a chemist, but I wonder if the 'slimy' feel is just the effect on the users skin and not the record?

THe sliminess is from the sodium carbonate - it's quite alkaline.
The percarbonate is the "oxi" part :-)
 
+1 :thmbsp:

I've been looking at home brew record cleaning solutions and every concoction I read about someone has something negative to say about it. The search continues.

I've yet to find anyone who had an issue with Sporacidin enzymatic mold cleaner. Maybe the chemists can weigh in on that one.
 
I have no idea. The label doesn't list the ingredients. It just says "contains amylase, prolase and lipase". The stuff is really good at getting the records click free, though.
 
Those enzymes break down carbohydrates, proteins and fats, respectively. Should be safe enough. I'm guessing the pH is around neutral.
 
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