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macaltec

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I found a Dynakit PAS-2 preamp while on vacation here in NY. I've been wanting a tube pre for some time. Can anyone vouch for the performance of this unit or simialar ones of the same brand? Just wondering if it is worth the effort to get it up and running to use with my tube amp.Thanks for any advice.

mac
 
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I liked mine. Many people want these so in the end you could always resell it if you don't like it. How much is it? $140.00 - $200 is comon on epray.
 
Pas-2

That is one fine preamp. One of, if not the best preamps of the classic tube era. It will be well worth the effort to bring it back to scratch. If you search though AudioKarma for the PAS-2 and PAS-3 you will find a fair amount of information. The PAS-3 is very similar to the PAS-2, only the cosmetics are different. There is a PAS-2x and PAS-3x which have different tone control pots and an extra capacitor in each channel’s line section to remove the DC voltage from the outputs. Adding the extra capacitors is an easy thing to do and is described in an earlier post. Good luck and good listening.
 
3moons has the PS and Phono Section in it's own little box with just the tops of the 12AX7s poking out. I have a 3X that I like, but not well enough to keep stock. I plan on replacing RCA plugs and signal wire.
There is a double selenium rectifier in there that needs replacing. It sits right on top of the filter caps for the filament supply so when you pop some silicone in there you might as well stick some really big caps in too. If the pots are in good shape a general cleaning, putting ib silicone diodes and filament caps wil run you the price of the cleaner and less than $10.
There are lots of mods you can do, the tubes are easy to find, there is all kinds of info easy to access and the weakest point of the PAS is the power transformer which isn't that bad.
 
Thanks for the info guys. I was hoping for good news. I guess $4 wasn't too bad a price then :banana: . I'll have to do some more research as it looks pretty simple to work on.
 
Started poking around in my PAS-2 after reading the other threads about mods and such. Identifying caps for replacement is not a problem nor is replacing them. I am wondering if it appears the cap mods to the tone controls look like (to the trained eye) they have been done already? My second quandry is the selenium rectifier, is that the thing on top of the PS caps? If not where is it? Finally should it need some work or replacement and where can I get one? Thanks for the help.
 
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macaltec said:
I am wondering if it appears the cap mods to the tone controls look like (to the trained eye) they have been done already? My second quandary is the selenium rectifier, is that the thing on top of the PS caps? If not where is it? Finally should it need some work or replacement and where can I get one? Thanks for the help.

The capacitors in the pictures appear to be the stock capacitors.

The selenium rectifier is the part sitting on top of the two filament power supply capacitors. Do not replace it with another selenium rectifier. Replace it with silicon diodes. 1N4002 diodes would work just fine, are cheap and easy to find.
 
Thanks again for all of the responses. I just got done polishing the faceplate and can't wait to get the re-capping done with some new tubes. :scratch2: Maybe I'll borrow some 12ax7's from my Fisher 400 as it is not in operational order for the time being. Now begins the search for the caps and other parts. hopefully I can get them all from the same place, multiple orders is always a pain. Wish there was somewhere local to get parts?

mac
 
macaltec said:
Thanks again for all of the responses. I just got done polishing the faceplate and can't wait to get the re-capping done with some new tubes. :scratch2: Maybe I'll borrow some 12ax7's from my Fisher 400 as it is not in operational order for the time being. Now begins the search for the caps and other parts. hopefully I can get them all from the same place, multiple orders is always a pain. Wish there was somewhere local to get parts?

mac
Please enjoy the refurb, their is lots of support on the net. Once its up to snuff, while very enjoyable, is far from a modern piece. There are unusable inputs on the preamp in stock condition. They can easily be modded for regular use. The circuit boards leave a lot to be desired, plus are very old by now. If you have the red colored boards, I find they clean up as close to new as possible with a substance called "print coat solvent" from electronics parts providers. The boards sholud be removed, stripped of all parts, cleaned and re assembled. By the time you do this and replace all the caps, resistors, etc., you will have spent more than its worth when you consider kits available out their for this application. I would just redo the power supply, bias supply and coupling caps as a learning experience and the buy a kit from Audio by Vanalstine. Their super pas III kit is perfect. It uses the same tube lineup, 12X4 rectifier, 12XA7A in both line and phono board. Plus it replaces all the components and boards themselves, as well as the entire power supply. Both the power supply and boards are not copies of the original, they are WAY improved. I think the entire kit is up to 300-350 now, but it replaces EVERYTHING, sockets and all and reuses the transformer. The rehab of your unit will give you all the experience you will need to build such a kit, The instructions are EXTREMELY simple and easy to do. The preamp was on stereophiles recommended components for years. Plus, you get an excellent phono section to boot. I have restored several PAS pres and have built two of these AVA kits. They are well worth the money. Alternatively, buy just the power supply kit from Curcio audio for a large improvement if you know you want to keep the stock boards. Curcio also sell well regarded pas mods, but they are all seperate, one for the power supply, one for line, one for phono. All three are fairly expensive, but they are highly regarded. I have never built a curcio unit, but many have, check the dynaco doctor forum for details their. For the money, it is hard to beat all you get with the AVA kit. Very simple assembly. By the way that is the best 4 dollar purchase I've heard of in a while!

Russellc

Russellc
 
I just finished re-capping my PAS-2 pre-amp and played it through my ST-70 amp and Klipsch Forte speakers. It blew me away. I could not turn it up more then 1/2 volume due to the 98 dB SPL of my Klipsch.

I can vouch for the PAS-2 pre-amp. I did not do any of the "mods" to my Dynaco equipment other then replace the caps and diodes. I wanted to maintain the original design and I am very pleased with the results.

I will begin the restoration of my Dynaco FM-3 tuner next.
 
Where did you buy your parts from?

mac

Southern said:
I just finished re-capping my PAS-2 pre-amp and played it through my ST-70 amp and Klipsch Forte speakers. It blew me away. I could not turn it up more then 1/2 volume due to the 98 dB SPL of my Klipsch.

I can vouch for the PAS-2 pre-amp. I did not do any of the "mods" to my Dynaco equipment other then replace the caps and diodes. I wanted to maintain the original design and I am very pleased with the results.

I will begin the restoration of my Dynaco FM-3 tuner next.
 
Southern said:
I just finished re-capping my PAS-2 pre-amp and played it through my ST-70 amp and Klipsch Forte speakers. It blew me away. I could not turn it up more then 1/2 volume due to the 98 dB SPL of my Klipsch.

I can vouch for the PAS-2 pre-amp. I did not do any of the "mods" to my Dynaco equipment other then replace the caps and diodes. I wanted to maintain the original design and I am very pleased with the results.

I will begin the restoration of my Dynaco FM-3 tuner next.
If you wish to keep the original circuit its up to you. While the AVA mod will smoke it badly, you can enjoy the basic upgraded circuit and still improve its functionality. Re wiring some of the selector switch can give additional inputs, and the tape-input switch can also be converted to an additional input. Another useful mod is to move the power transformer outside on the back as the AVA mod has you do. More cooling to the transformer, and get a lot of heat out of the box. Also, disconnect the filters and loudness switches, as well as the tone controls. If you are keeping the original boards and circuits, you might get the curcio power supply which is regulated and way stiffer, plus it replaces the bias stuff as well. The stock transformer is adequate, but the filaments really pulls it down. An additional transformer can be mounted on the back just for the filaments...this will take a big load off the transformer. Also, replace the pilot light with a LED. I like green. Looks cool and draws much less than the little light bulb supplied. There is also a guy on Ebay that will sell NEW versions of the original board.

Russellc
 
Russellc said:
If you wish to keep the original circuit its up to you. While the AVA mod will smoke it badly, you can enjoy the basic upgraded circuit and still improve its functionality. Re wiring some of the selector switch can give additional inputs, and the tape-input switch can also be converted to an additional input. Another useful mod is to move the power transformer outside on the back as the AVA mod has you do. More cooling to the transformer, and get a lot of heat out of the box. Also, disconnect the filters and loudness switches, as well as the tone controls. If you are keeping the original boards and circuits, you might get the curcio power supply which is regulated and way stiffer, plus it replaces the bias stuff as well. The stock transformer is adequate, but the filaments really pulls it down. An additional transformer can be mounted on the back just for the filaments...this will take a big load off the transformer. Also, replace the pilot light with a LED. I like green. Looks cool and draws much less than the little light bulb supplied. There is also a guy on Ebay that will sell NEW versions of the original board.

Russellc


Thanks for your input regarding various mods available. I may try some of the basic upgrades. Since my original transformer was toast I purchased an improved Dynaco clone transformer from Triode Electronics. The next mod will be to replace some of the original "cheap" RCA jacks with gold plated jacks.

Since I was given my Dyanaco amp and pre-amp (due to the fact the owner was aware that I would give it a good home) it is difficult to spend hundreds of dollars in mods. I suppose if I heard a modded Dynaco amp or pre-amp I might change my mind.
 
Thanks guys. I'm going to keep it simple for now and just replace the electrolytics and PS caps and do away with the selenium rectifier. Changing the RCA jacks to gold plated ones will probably follow and I may reconfiguring some of the inputs. Some of the mods sound like they pretty much abandon the unit as a whole and replace with all new stuff. I'm interested in preserving it and restoring its functionality.

mac
 
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