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Tubes in your system?

jaymanaa said:
This thread will never die. :D Has anyone here ever tried Ruby Tubes for Hi-Fi use? Inquiring minds :scratch2:

And what about the 6211 tube? http://www.nj7p.org/Tube4.php?tube=6211

I have a quad of Ruby-matched Type III KT90's. Ruby is a tester/brander not a manufacturer. It depends on what they're sourcing I'd say. I'm happy with the KT90's they stand 85% of rated dissipation so some sort of the misalignment is wrong with them. Maybe the sorting process saved me from some 60% tubes...:)
cheers,
Douglas
 
Hmmm, maybe I'll get lucky. I bought about a dozen matched pairs of EL34s that are supposed to be pretty old. It will be fun trying to identify the manufacturer. :yes:
 
jaymanaa said:
I bought a couple old organs tonight and one of them has 4 EL84s with red tops? Whats the deal? Jay

Like red wax or paint on top? I have some Dynaco-label EL84's with red stuff on the glass-seal-nubbin thingy.
 
From what I remember most of the organ manufacturers scrutinized there tubes
quite hard and after checking them, the good to go ones got a dip of "paint" on
the tip of the tubes to signify the goods!
 
I have some Dynaco-label EL84'
Hmm ... does that mean they are Telefunkens?:scratch2: I was wondering why my PAS-3 was sounding so good until I pulled the Dynaco-marked 12AX7's and found that they were Telefunkens with the raised 'diamond' stamp. Very tasty!:beerchug:
 
I just took inventory of what I'm using in my headphone amps:

Wheatfield HA-2:
Nada, turd burnt out my last power tube.

Radii HAP-03:
new production Ei Elite 12AU7EG into
(pair) test-good CCa's.
Pandora sounds real good right now.

Radii HAP-02:
new production Sovtek 12AX7LPS* into
new production Ei Elite EL84EG

* I think I like that 7025 better, though. I was just trying this on a recommendation.

Singlepower Supra++/SDS--:
a triplet of CBS Hytrons
 
PakProtector said:
Hey Jay,
I didn't find a whole lot of magic in the 6DJ8. I prefer the 6BQ7, ironically the older black plate/white printing RCA variety sounds the best where I use it. Fortunately there are other varieties that also sound good, and these are $2 tubes....:) GE 6BK7B is also a nice one.
cheers,
Douglas

I'm curious as to whether or not the 6BK7B would be plug and play sub for the 6N1P:scratch2: I've been acquiring some in anticipation of building a phono pre maybe:D Thought if they were a drop in I'd give them a try. Thanks, Jay
 
Hey!!!,
That group of tubes is pretty similar electrically, at least from the PoV of the circuits they'll likely end up in. The heater current varies a bit, so watch the voltage sag when you slip in some of the heavier ones.

I do like the larger current heater of the 6H1Pi. Heater power is roughly translated into available cathode current. In the case of eXtreme Hi-Fi I do believe that size does matter...:)
cheers,
Dogulas
 
Tube gear, tube collecting

Kegger,

Over 22 years, I've acquired a number of pieces of tube gear:

ARC SP8
ARC SP10
ARC D115
McIntosh MX110
McIntosh MC240
McIntosh MR67
Dynaco PAS3
Dynaco ST70
Fisher 800
Scott 330D
Peavey VMP2
ART DI/O
EICO HF-14

I've never sold anything and these pieces use a lot of tubes:

12AX7= 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 8, 6, 1, 3 = 32
6922= 2, (4 ln, 8) , 3 = 17
6AU6 /6136/ EF94 = 1, 3, 4, 3 = 11
6550 = 8, 1 = 9
12AT7 = 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 1 = 8
12AU7 = 1, 2, 2, 1 = 6
6U8 / ECF82 = 3, 1, 1 = 5
6L6GC/ 7027A = 4
6FQ7 = 4
EL34 = 4
7591= 4 = 4
12BH7 = 2, 1 =3
5881 = 2
7199 = 2
EM84A= 2
6BE6 / EK90 = 1, 1= 2
6CS6 / EH90 = 2
6BL8 / ECF80/ E80CF = 2
6AB4 / EC92 = 2
6AQ8 / ECC85
GZ34/ 5AR4
12X4
6X4 / EZ90
6EQ7
6DS4
6CN7
6BQ7A/ 6BS8
6HU6 / EM8780
6D10
6BS8
6BA6 / EF93
6AV6 / EBC91
EMM801
EZ81
EL84


Total= 132 tubes of 31 types

Since 1990, I've bought about 500 NOS and new tubes. I had two points in tube collecting: First, I use 31 types and of these, perhaps 20 types have not been made since the 70's or 80's. I decided to have three spares of any tube that was out of production. These were mostly radio/TV types. At the time, 6AU6s, for example, were not being made anywhere- well, perhaps Tungsram was- so:

6AU6 / EF94 [11]: 1, 3, 4, 3 TOTAL: 59

3- RCA-US- NOS
8- RCA 6136 - [4- "Command"]- US- NOS-
3- Tung Sol NOS
1- Mullard 10M EF94- gold p- UK- NOS
5- GE NOS
1- Telefunken sq gtr- USED
2- Harmon Kardon/ Amperex square getter-USED
1- Eico/ Mullard- USED
1- GE 6136-USED
1- NEC-USED
1- Valvo EF94- Holland -NOS
8- Telefunken EF94 by RCA- Brazil- NOS
5- GE 6136- 5 Star- black plate- halo- US- NOS
5- Sylvania Gold Brand, 6136- gold pin- NOS
11- Sylvania 6136- “Gold Brand”- steel pin- US- NOS

-so, my 3 set quest became 5 sets. The 6AU6 seems to last almost forever- most of the ones in the gear are 40+ years old- so I suppose I have a 400-year supply. Did this with the 6U8 also. It's surprising how many 6AU6, 6U8s, and odd types like 6CS6 the gear uses- so many tuner types!

The other reason for tube buying was to try different sounds. When I bought the McIntosh MR67, I wanted to buy good sounding 6BL8s (ECF80, E80CF, 7643) as these are the gain: -pre-pre tubes and not being made. I was delighted as this type was used in military communications gear and I could buy the very best of this type- NOS 1963 Valvo, Hamburg, red labelled, pinched waist, gold pin, 100,00 hour E80CF for only $15 each and NOS Telefunken 7643 as little as $5 each. The odd 6AV6- a little Gothic facade shield in the middle- were as little as $3 for NOS Telefunken also. The pleasure of the odd types meant I've bought more NOS Telefunken for the MR67 than in the last 15 years (6BL8, 6AV6, 6AU6, 6CS6, 6AB4, 6BE6) !

BTW, I bought Amperex, France 6GH8As as a possible substitution for the 6U8 in the MR67 and the 6GH8As are identical to the 2-Philips, France ECF80- 6BL8s that are the originals in the MR67. There is something interchangeable with 6BL8, 6GH8A, and 6U8- and I'd like to know what this is. I mention the 6GH8 as I think there is a common Dynaco ST70 replacement board based on the 6GH8A and perhaps the E80CF would work there. Given the astonishing sound of the MR67, I think I really like this type!

The type I've listened to more of than any other has been the 12AT7- mainly because my microphone preamp uses 6-12AX7 and 2-12AT7s and I likee to tune the sound to the type of recording. I gravtitated to the Siemens triple mica E81CC for punchy bass, and fast, beautiful detail and for a lush, smooth sound- deep, deep, deep: 1958 USAF triple mica Sylvania 12AT7WA- you won't believe this one! The Siemens is fantastic for waking up old McIntosh gear. The Philips/Hamburg gold pin 6201s are also great all-round tubes. For inexpensive 12AT7 the GE triple mica 6201 has great bass and detail.

I also bought a lot of 12AX7s as I use 32, and I'm glad to have reserves and choices as the prices are becoming silly. 12AX7s: Siemens triple mica E83CC and Amperex Bugle Boy- though really any late 50's/early 60's Philips ECC83 is fine. Another favourite is the 50's Sylvania triple mica, black plate, squre getter 5751- the most civilised 12AX7 ever?

With 6DJ8, I use 17 and have to use the E188CC / 7308 (or Sovtek/EH6922) in my Audio Research SP10 and the Amperex, Holland are great. For 6DJ8 in the D115 and SP8 I like the Amperex A-Frame ECC88 and if I were using this as a preamp gain tube I'd choose the A-frame also.

The 12AU7 is becoming expensive now too for some reason- I always attribute these rises to fads with the tube guitar amp crowd. Again I like Siemens- the triple mica 5814A- punchy, fast, detailed, deep. The mid 50's CBS 5814A is also a winner- quite amazing ino the right gear. For dark sounding vintage, the RCA "cleartop" can be a good match. Also, the RCA "Command" 5814 is a really good sounding tube- and quiet. I recently bought these for as little as $5 NOS and tested.

My inclination is to search out the premium or military version- they're usually quieter and longer lasting- as well as often having a better overall sound. It's a pleasure too when the type is not that sought after ansd the bestr ones are still $8 anyway. And, sometimes the ordianry tube is wonderful- I have a few old square getter Sylvania 12AX7 branded "Baldwin Organ" and in the right place, these $6 tubes are as satisfying as any Bugle Boy.

Sorry to go on so long, it's a huge subject- I could go one for years. With a complicated audio life using so many tubes of so many kinds, I've certainly had to study and realise how little I know still. I think in about two years I'll be having the great audio sort out and simplify considerably. Watch Ebay in 2008- I'll have five pieces of gear and 300 tubes on!

Cheers,

Bambi B
 
Nice post Bambi, and welcome aboard, looks like you got some experience under your belt!
 
First off I want to thank everyone for sharing their knowledge in this thread. I know how "hard earned" some of these tube "secrets" can be. After auditioning 18 (yep 18) variants of the 6DJ8 family, I have found one tube in particular that really suits my system and personal taste. The 6BQ7A is a real power house. When I first found some and looked at the plate structure, I sure didn't expect it to be a giant killer. The plates are tiny little defensless looking things. The 6ES8 was also very good. The 6BQ7A though makes copious amounts of very crisp and controlled bass, with smooth mids, and high frequencys that are plenty bright, but not harsh or annoying. In fairness to some of the other variants I will have to retry a few due to discovering that the screens on my HF drivers were filthy. I still haven't been able to find any 6FW8s to try but they are on the list. I certainly put a lot of time and effort in this search, but without you guys pointing me in the right direction, I would have never got started. Thanks Again, Jay

BTW- I left a couple on epay in case someone wants to try them.:D

Oh, and FWIW Douglas, I did notice that the tubes with the "hotter" heaters were to my liking also.
 
EL34/6CA7 Ei Fat Bottle (NOS - my favourites)

EL34 RFT Muehlhausen (NOS - second best)
3 Quads, one very special w/double getter

EL34 EH ok for a reserve set...




7199 RCA (pair)
7199 Radioshack brand (pair) japanese i believe
7199 Sovtec


el84 Sovtec (Quad)

i have to check my Tube-Box, i'll continue later...
 
Thanks Bambi. I'm sort of a lurker on this thread, but I'll remember that this and hopefully more posts from you will be useful and satisfying to have in the archives. (I have 6 pieces of tube gear waiting in the wings in various stages of repair/disrepair). — Lorne
 
Anyone have any experience with JAN GE 12AT7s (6201) from the early 70s? Grey ribbed plates, halo getter, double mica. I'm trying to find some 12AT7s that have closely matched halves. Thanks, Jay
 
Wop's current tube amps

Vintage

Amp #1 1961 Heathkit SA-2
12AX7>6AU6>6AN8>EL84 all Telefunken and Valvo small tubes, EL84 are Amperex with Mullard GZ34 rectifier

Amp #2 1960 Harman Kardon A-260 (see sig)
12AX7>12AU7>7247>7581A (i.e. RCA 12s, Sylvania phase splitter/driver, GE Output)

DIY amps I built and still have (1/2 dozen others long gone)

Amp #3 EXACTLY ONE Pair Telefunken ECL86 S.E.T.
That's right, the definition of simplicity- a grand total of 2 tubes@4wpc (solid state PS)
*circuit design by Derek Walton

Amp#4 JE Labs DX Integrated S.E.T. (8 wpc)
2x #76 Raytheon > 2x RCA JAN 5692 red base (T1 only) > 2x Electro Harmonix 300B Gold Grids (+Mullard GZ37)
With 22lbs of Hammond output iron
* circuit design by Joseph Esmilla

WopOnTour
 
Hey-Hey!!!,
Here is a shot that isn't also posted somewhere else...:) Perhaps soon enough I'll put in the 813's and give 'er a listen.
cheers,
Douglas
 

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Man those are nice Douglas.:yes: I'm looking for any skinny on 6EU7s. Seems to be a fairly obscure tube (at least I'm not seeing 100 epay listings). The Heathkit AA 151 uses half of one for MM gain, and the other half for MM+ everything else gain. Anyone know of a way to sub something here, and if not, any favorites (something esp. quite). Thanks, Jay
 
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