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Two Different Speaker Cable Lengths

Cactus Bob

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My left channel speaker requires 10 feet of cable. My right speaker only 5 feet is really necessary at the most.


Answer A: Cable the same length with one coiled up.

Answer B: One 10 foot cable & one 5 foot cable

Answer C: Non of the above with your prognosis :D

Thanks, Bob
 
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Using 16 gauge wire and 5 ohm speakers the 10' cable has .4% more resistance than the 5' cable. The contact surface at the cables connectors, and between the connectors and the amps speaker terminals, not to metion courosion, play a far greater role than the extra .02 ohms of resistance for the extra 5'. that said I use two 18' lenghts and pile the extra cable on the floor. Coiling it effectly turns that part of the cable into a inductor coil, perhaps by an insignifgant amount, perhaps not, but why take the chance.
 
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I go with selection "B". As charles 1973 pointed out, the difference in resistance is inconsequential. Of course, there's the delay of the signal traveling through the longer wire, but since the signal travels at the speed of light, I'll leave it to you to calculate the extra time it takes to go 5 more feet and if you think the delay would be noticeable ;-).

It's not that I haven't thought about it. When I was wiring my HT, I noticed there were differences in the lengths to every one of the 7 speakers. Being of Scots descent, I weighed the possible benefits of same length wire compared to spending every night sitting under the extra wire, contemplating how much extra I'd spent. You may easily surmise my decision.
 
A. Keep them the same, at the least it will give you the ability to move in the future. Most people choose a set up favouring symmetrics, although you can't at the moment, perhaps down the line. Don't coil the slack, run it back and forth between the speaker and amp how ever many times it takes.
 
I would say unless one side was 50 and one was 5, I wouldn't worry about resistance issues or diminishing highs frequencies with the longer run.......and as far as coiling wires up, a few wraps would not be audiable.......about 20 ft starts to mess with the high's from my experience :thmbsp: just my 2 cents
 
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Plan A

A. Keep them the same, at the least it will give you the ability to move in the future. Most people choose a set up favouring symmetrics, although you can't at the moment, perhaps down the line.
Good point, I hadn't thought of that. That makes me just as likely to go with "A" as with "B".
 
I currently use a 23 foot cable to one speaker and a ten foot one to the other. With the signal to each speaker traveling at roughly the speed of light I can tell you without doubt that I do not notice any difference between the two signals reaching each speaker at different times. And if they are by more than one one hundred thousands of a nano second then perhaps that insignificantly small difference is just adding a bit of reverb to my music? I'd go with B and not be all that concerned about it..............

Good Listening...........Terry:thmbsp::music:
 
Don't coil. Layout flat. Length really doesn't matter that much.

Remember, only you can prevent polarity reversal.
 
Thanks guys! To tell you the truth I originally planned on plan A. Like Poppa Chubby said, if I move them elsewhere in the room their still workable. I don't know why I said "coiled" because I always let the slack just lay all over behind the cabinet anyways.
 
Using 16 gauge wire and 5 ohm speakers the 10' cable has .4% more resistance than the 5' cable. The contact surface at the cables connectors, and between the connectors and the amps speaker terminals, not to metion courosion, play a far greater role than the extra .02 ohms of resistance for the extra 5'. that said I use two 18' lenghts and pile the extra cable on the floor. Coiling it effectly turns that part of the cable into a inductor coil, perhaps by an insignifgant amount, perhaps not, but why take the chance.

I was wondering if you could help me with the math here, charles 1973. If you are saying that the extra 5' of cable makes an extra 0.02 ohms of resistance, doesn't that also imply that the first 5' of cable is 0.02 ohms? If so, it would seem that the 5' cable is 0.02 ohms, and the 10' cable is 0.04 ohms. Going from 0.02 ohms to 0.04 ohms is a 100% increase in cable resistance in my book, not 0.4%. Logically speaking, doesn't it seem reasonable to double the resistance when doubling the length?

Also, you mentioned not to coil it because it makes an inductor. Plus, many others chimed in with a similar sentiment. If this were a single conductor wire, this would be true. But the question is about speaker cable, and speaker cables usually imply two tightly coupled conductors. One being the signal and the other the return. As such, the magnetic fields should be equal and opposite, resulting in no magnetic interaction in a coil. Without magnetic interaction, how can you make an inductor?

Just curious.
 
I was wondering if you could help me with the math here, charles 1973. If you are saying that the extra 5' of cable makes an extra 0.02 ohms of resistance, doesn't that also imply that the first 5' of cable is 0.02 ohms? If so, it would seem that the 5' cable is 0.02 ohms, and the 10' cable is 0.04 ohms. Going from 0.02 ohms to 0.04 ohms is a 100% increase in cable resistance in my book, not 0.4%. Logically speaking, doesn't it seem reasonable to double the resistance when doubling the length?

I didn't actually pencil it out, and probably won't, but my first reaction is that 0.4% is the percentage difference of the cables with respect to the speaker impedance, not the abstract difference between the two cables.
 
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OBTY I dont pencil, I push...as in calculator buttons, hope I didn't push the wrong button!
I'm Including the resistance of the speaker.

Heres the math for that .4% difference in resistance: Accourding to a chart listing the resistance of 16 gauge copper wire as .004 ohms/ft: 5 ohm speakers + 10' x .004 = 5.04 ohms total. .004 ohms/ft. x 5' plus the 5 ohm speaker = 5.02 ohms. 5.04/5.02 = 100.4%.

For more fun with numbers if we use 28 volts to the speakers...98w @ 8 ohms (28v / 8 ohms = 3.5a x 28v), the difference in power is 156.2w for 10' and 155.6w for 5' cables. A 50' cable will still deliever 150.8w to the speaker. Even a 250' cable would deliever 130.7w to the speaker. A difference of less than 1 db...barely percievable.

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You might be right about the speaker wires inductance cancelling out, but I feel better with them uncoiled, for the same reason I keep the same length, knowing full well it really doesen't matter.
 
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Heres the math for that .4% difference in resistance: Accourding to a chart listing the resistance of 16 gauge copper wire as .004 ohms/ft: 5 ohm speakers + 10' x .004 = 5.04 ohms total. .004 ohms/ft. x 5' plus the 5 ohm speaker = 5.02 ohms. 5.04/5.02 = 100.4%.

For more fun with numbers if we use 28 volts to the speakers...98w @ 8 ohms (28v / 8 ohms = 3.5a x 28v), the difference in power is 156.2w for 10' and 155.6w for 5' cables. A 50' cable will still deliever 150.8w to the speaker. Even a 250' cable would deliever 130.7w to the speaker. A difference of less than 1 db...barely percievable.

Sorry for the long delay in responding, other things have come up. Actually, I figured you figured it that way, it was just your wording of "10' cable has .4% more resistance than the 5' cable" implies the cable resistance doesn't double with doubling the length. Had you said, "total load, as seen by the amp, is 0.4% different for 10' cable as compared to a 5' cable," there'd be no confusion.

But, let's look at the math that you were so kind to supply, per my request. It is true that 16 gauge wire has 4milliohms per foot of resistance. But, a speaker cable is TWO wires in series. So, a five foot speaker cable is actually 10 feet of wire. Therefore, your calculations are 100% wrong. 10 feet is 80milliohms of total resistance, not 40. Five feet is 40milliohms, not 20. Thus, using your difference as seen by the amp, it is now 0.8% different.

But, let's take this thought experiment another step. You suggested a 5ohm speaker for your calculations, perhaps to exaggerate the effects of the cable, and still show that they are insignificant. Unfortunately, an overwhelming number of speakers do not provide a constant load across the audible spectrum. Let's take an old fave for an example, the Original Larger Advent, or OLA for those into nicknames. I believe it has a minimum of 5ohms, like your example, and it has a maximum (at resonance) of 32ohms. If we were to assume the amp driving these is an ideal voltage source, then we'd have diffenences of the signal being applied to the speaker terminals between the two cables at the two extremes of speaker load of:

5ohms/5ft = -0.0692dB
32ohms/5ft = -0.0109dB
5ohms/10ft = -0.1379dB
32ohms/10ft = -0.0217dB

From that we can conclude that the five foot speaker cable imparts 0.0583dB error to the frequency response, while the 10 foot cable does twice the damage with 0.1162dB peak-to-peak deviation. Now, it can certainly be argued that such small frequency response imbalances aren't audible, and I'd tend to agree. But, in my experience, when doing the final voicing on a speaker, I've been known to tweak the crossover to sub dB values (like 0.3dB), and these do indeed impart an audible difference - subtle, to be sure. It is not hard then, to come to the realization that these very small errors due to cables account for some of the diffences people hear between different speaker cables.
 
A or B, simply because unless you possess "Golden Ears", you'll never hear any difference whatsoever (IMHO of course). The only reason I have equal lengths speaker cables is because I had enough cable to do it. I've used unequal length cbales in the past and have never heard any sonic disadvantages. Hmmm. maybe its because I only have "Bronze Ears".
 
As pointed out before, go the same length, but dont do a coil on the short one.......as insignificant as it is, coiling the cable up does turn it into an inductor coil....possible only bearably measurable, but its there.

I cant remember how may times I have cut one length shorter than the other for a "custom fit" and then decided to move my system.....thats a PIA......
 
i have about 10ft of wire that goes to each speaker. my equip is closer to the right speaker but. i just took the longer legnth i needed and used that distance for both the right and left speaker wires so they would both be the same.
 
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