I own an Orbit and an RT81 (plus more) and have been happy with both. FWIW, Fluance just came out with new models that include positive changes like optical speed control, heavier platters, rim belt drive, etc. They are still priced well and offer W&F of .07, a very respectable spec IMO. Count me as a person who has never been interested in old garage finds, nor machines decades old, and for whom the new machines (many of them made in China--oh the HORROR) are a great answer.