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Ultra noobie wiring inquiry

E.A.Poe

E.A.Poe

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Hello all,

I'm piecing together a sound system for my turntable and I ran into an issue that people smarter than me might know the answer to.

I believe I've misplaced the wiring to connect a Advent Baby Advent II speaker to a DENON AVR-5000 receiver.
I'd like to see if I can get it replaced, but I'm not familiar with the input on the Advent.


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Advent Baby Advent II




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DENON AVR-2500


I already have two Mirage M90I speakers in, if that matters at all.

Anybody know the cord I have to get in order to make that happen? I'm clueless but would like to learn.
Thanks very much!
 
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Any speaker wire will do. Do you have an old extension cord laying around? That will work fine if you don't have any speaker cables.
 
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Not sure what the question is, exactly, if you've already got speakers hooked up, but you will need either bare wires or pins at the Baby Advent end of the cables. And are you planning to use the Advents as surround speakers?
 
E.A.Poe said:
Hello all,

I'm piecing together a sound system for my turntable and I ran into an issue that people smarter than me might know the answer to.

I believe I've misplaced the wiring to connect a Advent Baby Advent II speaker to a DENON AVR-5000 receiver.
I'd like to see if I can get it replaced, but I'm not familiar with the input on the Advent.


View attachment 871111

Advent Baby Advent II




View attachment 871114


DENON AVR-2500


I already have two Mirage M90I speakers in, if that matters at all.

Anybody know the cord I have to get in order to make that happen? I'm clueless but would like to learn.
Thanks very much!
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You need bare wire (or tinned on the bare ends) or pins to connect to the Advent.
It looks like bare, spades, or bananas will work at the Denon end.
JMO, it looks rather cobbled at the Denon as pictured, some plastic nuts, some metal nuts, and spades that MIGHT be too big or else not properly placed on the Denon terminals....a couple of the spades look a bit too close to the neighboring terminal...if those touch you'll have bigger problems than what speaker wire to use.
 
classic carl said:
It looks like the rear speaker jacks on the Denon are the same type as on the Baby Advents.
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Good eye!

So bare wire, let's say 16 gauge or 18 gauge should do the job.
Larger wire may or may not work depending on the size of the openings in the spring clips on the amp and speakers.
At the risk of further confusion to the OP, some pins (RCA brand for example) might be used if using larger gauge wire.
 
goodolpg said:
You need bare wire (or tinned on the bare ends) or pins to connect to the Advent.
It looks like bare, spades, or bananas will work at the Denon end.
JMO, it looks rather cobbled at the Denon as pictured, some plastic nuts, some metal nuts, and spades that MIGHT be too big or else not properly placed on the Denon terminals....a couple of the spades look a bit too close to the neighboring terminal...if those touch you'll have bigger problems than what speaker wire to use.
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This was exactly what I was looking for, thanks for your advice!
Regarding the Denon, is there a way of making it safer? I'd certainly like to reduce any risk to myself and the equipment.
 
goodolpg said:
Good eye!

So bare wire, let's say 16 gauge or 18 gauge should do the job.
Larger wire may or may not work depending on the size of the openings in the spring clips on the amp and speakers.
At the risk of further confusion to the OP, some pins (RCA brand for example) might be used if using larger gauge wire.
Click to expand...

I really appreciate the advice. I'm still very much a novice.
 
E.A.Poe said:
This was exactly what I was looking for, thanks for your advice!
Regarding the Denon, is there a way of making it safer? I'd certainly like to reduce any risk to myself and the equipment.
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By looking at the photo you posted, it appears the two farthest right spades may be off center on the Denon terminals...I'll try to describe what to do.
Each of the Denon speaker terminals/nuts has a "big hole" in the center (for banana plugs) but that hole is also a shaft the nuts turn on to tighten down the speaker cables. In addition, that shaft may also have a "little hole" that wire can be inserted into.
The spades (the Y or U shaped end of the cables in the picture you posted) should be placed so the shaft is between the two "arms" of the spades.
Just guessing, it appears the two terminals on the right have the spade with 1 arm through the "little hole" and the other on the outside of the center shaft.
The two terminals on the left seem to be done correctly.
Or maybe it's just an optical illusion that the two on the right are not centered on their respective terminal shaft.

Here's a guide to speaker cable connector end styles...each type can be attached to bare wire.
https://www.ramelectronics.net/Speaker-Cable-Connectors-Explained.aspx

ALSO-----IMPORTANT------DO NOT CONNECT OR DISCONNECT SPEAKER CABLES (actually all cables) UNLESS THE SYSTEM IS TURNED OFF.
 
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E.A.Poe said:
Hello all,

I'm piecing together a sound system for my turntable and I ran into an issue that people smarter than me might know the answer to.

I believe I've misplaced the wiring to connect a Advent Baby Advent II speaker to a DENON AVR-5000 receiver.
I'd like to see if I can get it replaced, but I'm not familiar with the input on the Advent.


View attachment 871111

Advent Baby Advent II




View attachment 871114


DENON AVR-2500


I already have two Mirage M90I speakers in, if that matters at all.

Anybody know the cord I have to get in order to make that happen? I'm clueless but would like to learn.
Thanks very much!
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Something has me troubled. Your wiring shows five terminals across the bottom. The Denon AVR-2500 only has four.denonavr2500bck.jpg

One speaker connection appears to be spanning B output, right speaker negative and left speaker negative. This will give you no output. The other speaker connection spans left speaker positive and some unknown terminal. Unless the Denon outputs were completely rewired, I'm not sure how this would work. Follow the color coding in the above picture for the correct output.

Also, as others have said, the spade lugs look to be too large and might be prone to touching if moved just right. Try narrower spade lugs to prevent that from happening.
 
highvoltage_ said:
Something has me troubled. Your wiring shows five terminals across the bottom. The Denon AVR-2500 only has four.View attachment 872568

One speaker connection appears to be spanning B output, right speaker negative and left speaker negative. This will give you no output. The other speaker connection spans left speaker positive and some unknown terminal. Unless the Denon outputs were completely rewired, I'm not sure how this would work. Follow the color coding in the above picture for the correct output.

Also, as others have said, the spade lugs look to be too large and might be prone to touching if moved just right. Try narrower spade lugs to prevent that from happening.
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It looks like they are all connected to the bottom row of terminals
BUT
why are there FIVE terminals??
That's part of what I meant when I said it looks cobbled in my first post.
That and the mismatched nuts.
 
highvoltage_ said:
Something has me troubled. Your wiring shows five terminals across the bottom. The Denon AVR-2500 only has four.View attachment 872568

One speaker connection appears to be spanning B output, right speaker negative and left speaker negative. This will give you no output. The other speaker connection spans left speaker positive and some unknown terminal. Unless the Denon outputs were completely rewired, I'm not sure how this would work. Follow the color coding in the above picture for the correct output.

Also, as others have said, the spade lugs look to be too large and might be prone to touching if moved just right. Try narrower spade lugs to prevent that from happening.
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I see what you mean. I have no idea how to explain that. I've taken those connections out and put them back in since taking the photo and it appears correct now. It's possible I had them in wrong when I took the picture. Very strange.
I'm going to invest in narrowed spade lugs. It seems like everyone agree that'll be a safer way of doing things.
 
goodolpg said:
By looking at the photo you posted, it appears the two farthest right spades may be off center on the Denon terminals...I'll try to describe what to do.
Each of the Denon speaker terminals/nuts has a "big hole" in the center (for banana plugs) but that hole is also a shaft the nuts turn on to tighten down the speaker cables. In addition, that shaft may also have a "little hole" that wire can be inserted into.
The spades (the Y or U shaped end of the cables in the picture you posted) should be placed so the shaft is between the two "arms" of the spades.
Just guessing, it appears the two terminals on the right have the spade with 1 arm through the "little hole" and the other on the outside of the center shaft.
The two terminals on the left seem to be done correctly.
Or maybe it's just an optical illusion that the two on the right are not centered on their respective terminal shaft.

Here's a guide to speaker cable connector end styles...each type can be attached to bare wire.
https://www.ramelectronics.net/Speaker-Cable-Connectors-Explained.aspx

ALSO-----IMPORTANT------DO NOT CONNECT OR DISCONNECT SPEAKER CABLES (actually all cables) UNLESS THE SYSTEM IS TURNED OFF.
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Thanks for the advice, I really appreciate the patience. I don't know how that happened. Since taking the picture I've unconnected them and put them back in, so to my knowledge they're correctly in now. I think that the photo might not show them well enough so here are a couple more. I guess it's a spade lug on a banana plug in order to fit into the Denon's terminal. It seems like the general consensus is to invest in narrower spade lugs.
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goodolpg said:
It looks like they are all connected to the bottom row of terminals
BUT
why are there FIVE terminals??
That's part of what I meant when I said it looks cobbled in my first post.
That and the mismatched nuts.
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In the first photo the banana plugs are plugged into the top set of jacks, not the bottom. In the second set of pictures the opposite is the case.
 
E.A.Poe said:
Thanks for the advice, I really appreciate the patience. I don't know how that happened. Since taking the picture I've unconnected them and put them back in, so to my knowledge they're correctly in now. I think that the photo might not show them well enough so here are a couple more. I guess it's a spade lug on a banana plug in order to fit into the Denon's terminal. It seems like the general consensus is to invest in narrower spade lugs.
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That will work fine as pictured though it's a bit bulky. Just make sure everything is snug.

OH DUH MOMENT---in the first picture of the back of the Denon...those are the banana plugs inserted into the Denons speaker terminals or at least attached to the cable ends? If so...that explains the brass colored "nuts" that was confounding me!

Back to the original question, looks like you have some options at the Denon end (if using "A" or "B" terminals, if using "rear" or "center" then bare/tinned or pins) as far as terminations, kind of limited to bare/tinned wire or pins (either is fine) at the Advents.
 
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goodolpg said:
That will work fine as pictured though it's a bit bulky. Just make sure everything is snug.

OH DUH MOMENT---in the first picture of the back of the Denon...those are the banana plugs inserted into the Denons speaker terminals or at least attached to the cable ends? If so...that explains the brass colored "nuts" that was confounding me!

Back to the original question, looks like you have some options at the Denon end (if using "A" or "B" terminals, if using "rear" or "center" then bare/tinned or pins) as far as terminations, kind of limited to bare/tinned wire or pins (either is fine) at the Advents.
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It is a bit bulky, but it's what I have to work with at the moment. Those are banana plugs, I think there was a really weird optical illusion happening in the original picture, I should have taken a better one.

Thanks for the help! I'm more of a record junkie than a audio tech guy, but I'm happy I'm learning now. Much appreciated everyone!
 
I see what's going on now. Sorry, just catching up on this. So you're using a banana plug adapter that allows spade lugs to be attached to Denon binding posts. Denon binding posts are not true 5-way binding posts because there's a shield at the bottom that prevents spade lugs from being attached. That shield does however align bare wire or pins on insertion.

One suggestion. In your last set of pictures you show the spade lugs coming in from the bottom. I suggest bringing them in from the top so there's reduced strain on the wire.
 
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