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Geigartt

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Now that I'm retired I think I must "retire" all my equipment which is barely qualifies for the needs of people here, but it is what I have used, minimally, over the years. So I'm asking for suggestions for rebuilding with a budget say of $2500 for TT + receiver. TT: is a refurbished (new RCA leads and lubrication) Dual 1219. It has a Shure M97 E, which was installed as new 2017. Signal goes to a generic Sony (no model numbers visible) A/V receiver that switches to multiple outputs comprised of Tuner, CD, phono. It might be generous to call it an integrated amp, but it has served me as adequate, it was a handmedown. So the sound I'm getting leaves a lot to be desired. For starters with speaker muted I can hear a lot of "scraping" that seems to come directly from the stylus dragging through the groove. I have aligned the stylus properly with a mirrored protractor that I believe is more accurate b/c of the parallax properties that dictate a better alignment than a paper protractor, and set VTF at 1.98 grams with a scale. I have cleaned the stylus multiple times. I could live with the scraping as one of course doesn't hear it with speakers. The speakers are from a Bose 5 bookshelf system which due to space limitations I must keep (I know, big compromise here). Worst aspect is the drop out or distortion of high frequencies. The highs are pretty pathetic now. Competing for "worst" aspect is the appearance recently of "sticking" of stylus in a groove so that it repeats; have heard it on multiple albums, but never consistent phrase or groove; use now is limited to troubleshooting as I don't know if any damage is being done to vinyl. This is intermittent so I don't think it is a scratch on an album that has been ultrasonically cleaned. I take good to excellent care of my vinyl. I do note that the anti-skate doesn't seem to have a great affect on tracking, if that is the cause of this problem. Going from + 5 (in the red) to + 5 in the black scale has little noticable effect, but I have yet to see a tool or method to measure horiz anti-skate. Tonearm is set to "single" disc, If I set anti-skate at 5 on red scale, and lift using the queing feature, the arm moves very slightly toward the outer grooves, movement is only noticable after 4-5 lifts. I have not been able to find a video re refurbing the anti-skate other than setting it to match the VTF, so if anti-skate is ineffective, and sticking continues that would be a death knell to the Dual.

Conclusion: I'm prepared to replace the cart with an Ortofon 2M Blue (or better?) and add a preamp betw TT and receiver. I would part reluctantly with the Dual, but it has followed me all over NYC in the last 40 years with minimal use so IF it can be saved I would invest in a cart/stylus and preamp to get a decent sound. Reception here is spotty so re tuner, my needs are min. In a year I could swing another $1K for a better amp. That ups my investment to $3.5K total for new TT, preamp, + integrated amp. Here is a pic of the Sony.
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What do you guys think?
 
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The speakers are from a Bose 5 bookshelf system which due to space limitations I must keep
Exactly what are those space limitations? There are some very good, very small speakers out there that would most likely be far superior to the Bose.
 
For starters with speaker muted I can hear a lot of "scraping" that seems to come directly from the stylus dragging through the groove.

I'd start by troubleshooting this.

I think the Dual tables like your 1219 used a paper disc under the platter for strobe markings. Sometimes these become loose and scrape. If not that, it could be noise from the idler wheel which is rubber that could harden over time.

My Dual was making a "whispering/scraping" sound - very faint - but it went away when I replaced the idler wheel.

The only sound you should hear from a stylus in the groove is music.

Good luck! And congrats on retirement!
 
dcmfan, I only hear it when the stylus is in contact with the vinyl.

BamaBilly: I will check out the AT cart. Thank you.
 
Your stylus is clogged with gunk. Get a "Magic Eraser" at the grocery -- it's a white very fine sponge, made of melamine foam. Cut a small piece and gently lower the stylus onto a flat side, just let the diamond penetrate into the foam. Lift, move it a bit, and repeat four or five times.

I'm betting you will see a dirty spot on the Magic Eraser piece and the turntable will sound MUCH better.

Skipping is the clue here - there is enough grunge built up that the stylus isn't touching the walls of the groove at all, it's riding on a wad of schmutz. Sounds terrible and will actually slide over the record.

I set up a turntable for a buddy of mine and he played a couple dirty records from his childhood -- had to go rescue the stylus, it had amazing amounts of gunk on it. Worked fine after that, but swapped the table out anyway as he was having fits with the undamped cue lever.
 
Now that I'm retired I think I must "retire" all my equipment which is barely qualifies for the needs of people here, but it is what I have used, minimally, over the years. So I'm asking for suggestions for rebuilding with a budget say of $2500 for TT + receiver. TT: is a refurbished (new RCA leads and lubrication) Dual 1219. It has a Shure M97 E, which was installed as new 2017. Signal goes to a generic Sony (no model numbers visible) A/V receiver that switches to multiple outputs comprised of Tuner, CD, phono. It might be generous to call it an integrated amp, but it has served me as adequate, it was a handmedown. So the sound I'm getting leaves a lot to be desired. For starters with speaker muted I can hear a lot of "scraping" that seems to come directly from the stylus dragging through the groove. I have aligned the stylus properly with a mirrored protractor that I believe is more accurate b/c of the parallax properties that dictate a better alignment than a paper protractor, and set VTF at 1.98 grams with a scale. I have cleaned the stylus multiple times. I could live with the scraping as one of course doesn't hear it with speakers. The speakers are from a Bose 5 bookshelf system which due to space limitations I must keep (I know, big compromise here). Worst aspect is the drop out or distortion of high frequencies. The highs are pretty pathetic now. Competing for "worst" aspect is the appearance recently of "sticking" of stylus in a groove so that it repeats; have heard it on multiple albums, but never consistent phrase or groove; use now is limited to troubleshooting as I don't know if any damage is being done to vinyl. This is intermittent so I don't think it is a scratch on an album that has been ultrasonically cleaned. I take good to excellent care of my vinyl. I do note that the anti-skate doesn't seem to have a great affect on tracking, if that is the cause of this problem. Going from + 5 (in the red) to + 5 in the black scale has little noticable effect, but I have yet to see a tool or method to measure horiz anti-skate. Tonearm is set to "single" disc, If I set anti-skate at 5 on red scale, and lift using the queing feature, the arm moves very slightly toward the outer grooves, movement is only noticable after 4-5 lifts. I have not been able to find a video re refurbing the anti-skate other than setting it to match the VTF, so if anti-skate is ineffective, and sticking continues that would be a death knell to the Dual.

Conclusion: I'm prepared to replace the cart with an Ortofon 2M Blue (or better?) and add a preamp betw TT and receiver. I would part reluctantly with the Dual, but it has followed me all over NYC in the last 40 years with minimal use so IF it can be saved I would invest in a cart/stylus and preamp to get a decent sound. Reception here is spotty so re tuner, my needs are min. In a year I could swing another $1K for a better amp. That ups my investment to $3.5K total for new TT, preamp, + integrated amp. Here is a pic of the Sony. View attachment 2450522 What do you guys think?

well actually it is a receiver, an integrated amp doesn't have an onboard tuner.

to address you speaker size limitation might want to look at some Canton Plus S, there was also a matching Plus C passive subwoofer that makes them giant killers. The Plus S will surprise you on just how much bass they have on their own, these small speakers although they look similar to the RatShack Minimus 7 that's where the resemblance ends.

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my first table was a schveet little Dual back in the 70's, great German engineering if sorted out. And hey, Canton is another great German company creating outstanding equipment.
 
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I have a fantastic sounding and compact audiophile system consisting of a Rega integrated amp, Thorens TT w/ Ortofon 2m Blue cartridge, and Dynaudio monitor speakers with excellent synergy. This system just makes you listen to music and great for TV/movie viewing to if that's important to you.

Only difference is that I'd consider a Rega turntable for a bit less, which was my other option before choosing Thorens/Ortofon.

Rega Brio amp $1100
https://www.rega.co.uk/products/brio

Rega P2 turntable w/ cart $775
https://www.rega.co.uk/products/planar-2

Dynaudio Emit 10 small monitor speakers $800 (Please dont skimp on speakers and use Bose)
https://www.dynaudio.com/home-audio/emit/emit-10

All pieces have highly rated reviews and work wonderfully together with toe taping PRaT. Total cost $2675
 
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Realy like that Canton sub/sat speaker system.

Rome

the real wood veneer versions are stunning, and priced as such when new, the Plus C passive sub in wood veneer originally retailed for $650 back more than 20yrs ago if memory serves.
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