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Vandersteen 3A Signature Speakers listening impressions...

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constantly upgrading...
Recently got Vandersteen 3A Signature speakers.
I'm glad that I didn't have to pay the $4.5k new price for these.

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Not proper setup due to incomplete floor work but so far these Vandersteen 3A Signature speakers are very impressive already.

For now, I'm using Rotel RB-990BX amp with Harman Kardon Signature AP2500 pre and Nakamichi CD changer.
The Rotel is rated at 200 wpc @ 8 ohms and 330 wpc @ 4 ohms.
3A's are 6 ohms so I'm guessing Rotel can push at least 250 wpc at that load??? :confused:

Interconnects are Delta Audio Tributaris from CD to pre and Tara Labs Prism 22 from pre to amp.
Speaker cables are Proflex by Pro Connect (no idea how good/bad these are).

These speakers have controls for mids and highs on the back. They are both at 0db at the moment.
Speakers are against the wall but due to the sound anchors, speaker cabinets are around a foot away from wall so not too bad.
My living/dining room is around 25 ft x 12.5 ft.
There is a small arch that divides the two areas so living room alone where the speakers are measures 12.5 x 12.5 with one side open to dining and another side with around 2.5 feet open to the windows.
May be not ideal for the 3A's. :confused:
I can put them on the window side but then I have to put couch in the middle of the room making the whole room cluttered.
Will see what works best later.

Listened at little higher than normal volume.
It was peaking at 91-92dB with median at around 79-81dB at my listening position using Android noise meter app.

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Two things are very unique:
1. The highs extend/project way past me.
I have listened to many different tweeters from soft dome, horn, burhoe etc... but none of them project highs with that extension way past me.
I am listening to the same CD's that I've had for years.
Most other speakers end highs too soon or they don't have enough force/snap/impact.
I'm not sure if I'm describing properly.
I have Klipsch horns that are louder but even they don't have that upper frequency extension/impact.
I only realized that after 3A's had that additional impact in the highs in some parts of songs and I thought, "Hmm that was there all the time?".
And that sounds very good.

2. Another is the bass.
The bass is very very fast and goes back to blackness (new word I learned ;)).
It's like springy action. I'm not sure if that's from the 8" woofer or the 10" woofer.
I can hear bass from drums as well as tacky sound from hitting the drums.
The boom of one note doesn't go over another note.
It's produces bass and goes back quickly to produce another one.
I have sealed speakers with fast bass but these are even faster.

Also, when I was listening to some female vocals at the top of their lungs (like Unbreak my heart), I always noticed some peaky notes that are slightly harsh when they sing at their full volume.
However, with 3A's, my mind was expecting that peak on the vocals and it's not there.
It's just smooth and rolls off cleanly.

I think this is the first time I forgot about speakers when listening music.
Music was not limited to the two speakers. It was all around and nothing crowded.
Every instrument was clean, clear, separate, open and effortless, yet all came together.

They are very easy on the ears.
No stress, no spikes, just smooth and detailed music.
Very very musical speakers. :music:
So to sum up, two thumbs and two toes way up. :thmbsp:

Right now, they are around 8 feet apart and my couch is around 9 feet from each speaker.
Once flooring is done for good, need to move around things to see where they look/fit/sound even better.
Then I can bring another pair to compare if needed.

The only thing that bothers me is the height of tweeters.
It's much higher than ear level when sitting on the couch.
I guess Vandersteen compensated for that when designing tall floor standers.

Highlight: I was listening to few songs before heading to work this morning and after few songs, baby woke up and wife came downstairs with the baby.
She stood there for few minutes listening and said, "These speakers are really very good". :banana:

She likes Bostons A400's (my favorite until now) as well and doesn't want to sell them so we are planning on putting them in another room.
That means, Bostons may never go head to head against the 3A's.

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Any suggestion on what amp/pre is better than what I'm using for the 3A's?
Or your experience with these speakers?
Thanks
 
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Download the manual from Vandersteen's website. It explains in detail how to determine location from back and side walls, as well as rake angle based on the distance from the floor to your ear in the "sweet spot." Also consider bi-wiring as recommended it does make a difference. As to amp/preamp combos' I always found the best match to be SS amps from Odyssey, Classe and Belles with a tube preamp. Another good option I ran with the 3A Sigs for a couple of years is the Classe CAP-150 Integrated. There is one for sale now on BT. Never tried Rotel, NAD, B&K or other favorites. Did not particularly care for them with Hafler or Audire.

Jack
 
Download the manual from Vandersteen's website. It explains in detail how to determine location from back and side walls, as well as rake angle based on the distance from the floor to your ear in the "sweet spot." Also consider bi-wiring as recommended it does make a difference. As to amp/preamp combos' I always found the best match to be SS amps from Odyssey, Classe and Belles with a tube preamp. Another good option I ran with the 3A Sigs for a couple of years is the Classe CAP-150 Integrated. There is one for sale now on BT. Never tried Rotel, NAD, B&K or other favorites. Did not particularly care for them with Hafler or Audire.

Jack

Thanks for amp suggestions.
Yes, Bi-wiring will be done, just don't have proper cables right now.
I need to order some decent cables like Blue Jeans and some gold plated spades for that.

I read CARY CAD-211 AE monoblock tube amps are great with these speakers but they are over $7.5k used :yikes: so that won't come home unless I find one on the curb. ;)
 
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I have run the 3A and 2CE Sigs with 60wpc tube mono's and they work just fine. In Northwest Florida the heat is a bit much though most of the year so I only break mine out from Dec. - Feb.
 
I have run the 3A and 2CE Sigs with 60wpc tube mono's and they work just fine. In Northwest Florida the heat is a bit much though most of the year so I only break mine out from Dec. - Feb.

Tube is another rabbit hole that I don't want to go into just yet.
I do have a Musical Fidelity X10v3 tube buffer to get some tube sound. :scratch2:
 
Glad to hear you like them. I have the original Threes and concur with your description and impressions. Vandersteen's just get out of the way of the music. They'll raise goosebumps on ya. :yes:
I've been running mine with two Adcom GFA555 vertically biamped/biwired. Bluejean speaker cables came with them. I've been wanting a big Bob Latino 120 or equivalent homebrew but that'll have to wait until I save up some more pennies.
 
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Congrats! :thmbsp: Those are lovely speakers and I'd love to hear a pair some day.

You've really upped your game over the past couple of years.

How did the SEAS tweeter work out on the Sonus Fabers?
 
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Nice read.

They will just get better as you dial them in and feed them more power.
Thanks.
First part is correct that they needs to be properly setup/dialed in but they don't need more power.
Maybe different power from different amp but definitely they are not under powered.
Rotel can push over 250 wpc at 6 ohms so that's not concern.
Different amps match better with them but none are cheap so they'll have to wait.

Glad to hear you like them. I have the original Threes and concur with your description and impressions. Vandersteen's just get out of the way of the music. They'll raise goosebumps on ya. :yes:
I've been running mine with two Adcom GFA555 vertically biamped/biwired. Bluejean speaker cables came with them. I've been wanting a big Bob Latino 120 or equivalent homebrew but that'll have to wait until I save up some more pennies.
I had GFA555 II that the Rotel replaced.
Make sure to check dc offset etc... on the Adcom since they don't have speaker protection relay.

Congrats! :thmbsp: Those are lovely speakers and I'd love to hear a pair some day.

You've really upped your game over the past couple of years.

How did the SEAS tweeter work out on the Sonus Fabers?

Thanks.
Yes, that's the point, upgrading. :D
SEAS tweeters for the Sonus Faber Concerto Grand Piano are OOS in the US so I have a vendor order them from Norway.
Need to wait few more weeks I think. :(
But good thing is SEAS said the tweeter replacement is almost same but they can't say 'same' due to confidentiality agreement. :rolleyes:
 
I had a 50 feet spool of 16 awg copper wire lying around so I made a bi-wire using that.
Overall cable length is little over 11 feet with bare ends on both sides.

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Existing jumper had pretty bad quality rings so bare wire should be better.

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Listened to few tracks and I think they are cleaner and more open vocals with better instrument separation but that could be my mind playing games. :wink:
I'm not jumping terminals again just to check that so it's what it is.

At least now they are bi-wired as suggested.
 
Sounds like you have some really-fantastic speakers there. Beautiful setup. I've always been looking for speakers with that life-sized sound (and life-sized, fat, well-controlled bass) at low to medium volume levels, and Vandersteen (as well as DCM) and Boston were on my list for modern options. I'd been eye'ing the A400's for a while. I covered my '60's & '70's needs with the W90's, which are here to stay, but my recent purchase of modern standmount speakers has roused my lust for contemporary models. Soon (Hopefully VERY-soon) I will be in a position to exercise my speakers much more than I have been (especially my W90's), and at that point, speakers like those A400's and 3a's will be possible. I can see the hi-fi road of my future all laid out in front of me, most-likely a mix of vintage AND modern, and I'm excited about what it holds for me. Sounds like you're where I want to be in a few years.
 
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Speakercraft bb275 vs crown xls1500 vs qsc rmx1450 with 3A's...

Sounds like you have some really-fantastic speakers there. Beautiful setup.

Thanks. Vandersteens are supposedly concert in your room. ;)
However, they need better amps and source than what I have to really deliver.

My Rotel RB990-BX shut down when listening at high levels on the 3A's.
It handled 4 ohms speakers before without any issue but looks like 3A's dip a lot lower than 4 ohms in some bass heavy tracks.

So I moved Rotel to 2nd setup where it's happy. :D

Then I tried other amps that I have at home last night with Vandersteen 3A's.
None of them shut down at high levels bass heavy tracks.

1st place: Speakercraft BB275. (75 wpc but stable at 2 ohms)
Very smooth, lots of details, more than enough volume I ever need.
Slightly soft/boomy bass if I increase volume to very high levels than I normally listen to. That could be the room/corner reflections as well.
I think I like it better than Rotel.

2nd place: QSC RMX-1450 (260 wpc @ 8 ohms, 400 wpc @ 4 ohms)
QSC is miles better sounding amp than the Crown.
Overall tone of the sound was slightly stronger/better than Speakercraft but it removed some details in the high frequencies plus fan was on constantly.
Music/vocals were tighter/toned and bass was tight as well, not boomy even at high levels. A lot more headroom available.
If I didn't have Speakercraft, I can live with this no problemo.
This is over 40lbs.

3rd place: Crown XLS1500 (300 wpc @ 8 ohms, 500 wpc @ 4 ohms)
This is thin, tinny, hollow sounding compared to the other two above.
It's featherlight, only 8 lbs. I can lift with one finger but the QSC needs both hands. :o

So for now, I have the Speakercraft hooked up and it's a very good sounding amp and more than loud enough until I find something better.

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Also, playing around with the speaker location in this room.
From this on the West long wall:

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went to this on the window side: looked very narrow and corner reflection on only one speaker.
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and finally to this on the stairs side where I think it's better so far but may change without notice.... ;)

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Not enough room for these but will try to make it work.
 
I'm really finding it hard to correctly place these speakers in my room.

I've gone through few different amps, Crown XLS1500, QSC RMX-1450, Rotel RB-990BX and Aragon 2002.
Still I feel the placement options are limiting them to sound better.

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May be they just need bigger/better room than what I have. :headscrat
 
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