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Vintage speaker advice?

anderslober

Yikes...not again!
Hello Forum......i am looking for some good vintage speakers......I am kinda' partial to JBL's, but will consider others.

I am looking at JBL 4411, 4412, 4401, also L50 , L110....and the R series(102, 123, 133)...........

The R series look really nice.....any good?

I can get a good deal on the L50's.....any good?

Also been looking at the Pioneer HPM's........ there are A LOT of opinions on these(good and bad).....HPM100, HPM60 and HPM40.........

My absolute max budget is 500usd..........................

Thanks
 
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Hi Ander, Bottom line with speakers, you just have to listen for yourself. Trust your ears to steer you in the right direction. Others can only offer you what they think sounds great. There are so many good speakers out there, and yet, so may bad ones. Also, where you hear them can have a profound impact on how they sound, they might sound great wherever you go to hear them, only to drag them to your home and discover that they don't sound so good in your environment. The JBL Northridge "E" Series I found to be quite good in pretty much every situation I played them in. I listened to the E60 all the way up to the E100, and the one that tripped my fancy was the E80. IMO, it was a nice balance of output compared to the lacking E60, and over the top E100. E90's were great, but seemed a bit out of round, if you get my meaning.

Edit-Whoops! I failed to notice you are on a Vintage trek. The E's are not vintage, but will be in about 25 years ;)
 
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Big Tuna.....yes...I have looked at the E series....they dont really have the look I am looking for.........I would like the wood-look.....not the big black box look. Maybe the E series are available in 'wood'?

Thanks...
 
So, on a vintage note, the late 70's Cerwin Vega XXXR series are quite lovely, and unfortunately very rare.

More vintage would be the LS-400 Series by Kenwood, which were spawned from the Japanese (not Kabuki) Model Sevens by Kenwood's USA team. The top of that line were the LS-408A & LS-408B, which are 12 inchers, while a nice compromise is the LS-407B, 10 inch version. The 408's both have real walnut veneer, and a unique crosslaid lumber core baffleboard, while the LS-407A & LS-407B do have the same baffle, but they have vinyl veneer cabs. Not a big deal if you are more focused about the sound quality.

The old Polk-Audio Monitor 10's are quite nice all around also.

Another great vintage speaker is the High Definition/Design Series/MXX/X00 Series's from Marantz. All the designs of Former JBL engineer Edmond May. HD770, HD880, DS920, DS930 & DS940, as well as the M10/M16, Model 400/600/800.
 
Big Tuna.....yes...I have looked at the E series....they dont really have the look I am looking for.........I would like the wood-look.....not the big black box look. Maybe the E series are available in 'wood'?

Thanks...
Oh Yeah, they were available with a Cherry Veneer. Quite hard to find, and very beautiful to look at.
 
Those Kenwood LS's are really nice......but there are hardly ever any for sale.......difficult to find...........Eboot, CL, A'gon.........
 
JBLs

The 4410, 4412 are pro studio monitors and are among the most accurate speakers JBL ever built. Some say they are sterile or clean, they also say studio monitors are an acquired taste, the 4411 is the L-112 in pro form. You cant go wrong with any of them, i enjoy mine every day.
 

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I have a pair of L50's and like them a lot. I've heard from other akr's they sound better than L100's. More accurate etc.
I would grab those if the price was right. Good Luck.
 
Thanks fellas...a lot of good info..............now, I just need em' all!

Will post ...when i get hold of some.......................
 
Any time you encounter a speaker designed for monitoring rather then technicoloring the music, your bound to find strong negative opinions. Take negative opinions about any monitor with a grain of salt, chances are the problem wasn't entirely the speaker.
 
Yamaha NS 690II fits your budget. I have had some for 32 years and they sound great. 25" tall, 12" woofers. 35 hz on the low end. very transparent. They are like the well regarded NS 1000, but without the beryllium tweeter and mid, which would blow your budget.
 
Any time you encounter a speaker designed for monitoring rather then technicoloring the music, your bound to find strong negative opinions. Take negative opinions about any monitor with a grain of salt, chances are the problem wasn't entirely the speaker.

It is all subjective. I have a very neutral (some would call "reference") system in my basement (Marantz 7, McIntosh MC30's, Thorens 124/SME, Quad 22L2), and my living room system is my "period correct" system (Fisher 500c, Thorens 124/FR-54, JBL C36-D123/075/N2600) and although the "reference" system is far more linear, balanced, revealing, detailed...all those wonderful things we think about when we talk audio, the vintage Fisher/JBL system is down right fun and the system that gets used most in my house supplying the first and second floor of my house with music from the second I walk in the door from work and off right before bed!

Everybody who has listened to my "period" system (audiophiles and non audiophiles) love the dynamics, the big sound, the sparkling/dazzling highs, the huuuuge midrange, and the ultra exaggerated soundstage. Although the vintage system is VERY colored, and no where near linear, it is engaging, thrilling, dazzling...it IS the sound that was the genesis of HI-FI.

If you are looking for realistic and balanced, neutral presentations, transparency, and any of the other catch terms that are associated with "audiophile" then the products being offered by many of todays higher end speaker companies will run circles around almost anything vintage. But vintage speakers have a fun factor that can't be discounted by any of audio purests (the aforementioned Cerwin Vega floor standers that were suggested up the thread were incredibly colored and miserable for fine detail and soundstage, but had better bass response than any speaker of that generation....those suckers can rock a house with Zeppelin like no others!!!)

You also need to think about what you will mate your vintage speakers with...tube or solid state, high power or low power, analog or digital....all of these variables will factor into your choices. I tried 3 different sets of vintage speakers on my Fisher (Polk 7's, Kef 103.4's, Wharfdale w40's) until I found my JBL's and realized they were a match made in heaven. Those same JBL's sound like crap with my Mcintosh SS gear....they just weren't designed for that. So matching is very important, hence you need to think about which end do you want to start with.....sources, or speakers.

Plus, environment plays a huge part of the speaker choice as well. If you are going to have perfect triangulation for your seating, the JBL monitors are glorious, but slightly off axis and JBL monitors fall apart. For corner placement, spekears like Klipsh Cornwall's/Heresy's or Electrovoice Atistocrats may be the best choice for using tubes, but not SS. The choices are infinite, you just need to "start" somewhere. Fall in love with a set of speakers and find the front end to match it, or fall in love with a set of amps/preamp and find speakers to match...this is all part of the fun in this hobby.

James R.
 
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