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Vintage Style Bookshelf Speakers

Unlike electronics, assuming they're treated properly, there's really not a lot that can contribute to unreliability in most dynamic speakers. Capacitors can fail over time, but these are usually fairly easily replaced. Drivers don't wear out; they can burn out if overdriven, but the same thing can happen to new speakers. Yes, surrounds can deteriorate, but they can also be replaced, or buy one of the many models that use rubber or cloth instead of foam surrounds.

Qft. Reliability is not as much of a factor with vintage speakers as with nearly any other part of a vintage system.

............ Back in the mid to late '60's, Wharfedale was high-end (They were quite-reasonable for the market where they competed, but a pair of W70's or W90's still cost as much as a wedding ring back in the day............

You're kidding, right? His and hers plain gold bands would have been cheaper than either of those models when they were current. If you are referring to the costs associated with having a wife rather than just the ring, well those costs are so far beyond that they can't even be calculated.:yes:
 
Also interesting that the wharfedales are pushing at 6 ohms and my marantz receiver is putting out 8 ohms. Should there be any concern there regarding the amp having to work a bit harder to drive these? Will that affect the sound quality or volume capability at all?

The speakers decide what they will suck out of your receiver, whether the receiver is rated for that load or not. I wouldn't worry too much with a six ohm load.
 
This is all great info. Thanks again everyone.

Any difference I would notice with the Warfedales beings so small? The its not a huge room, but bid enough that I appreciated the wide soundstage and big box sound of the soundcraftsman speakers I had which were at least twice the size of the Dentons.
 
This is all great info. Thanks again everyone.

Any difference I would notice with the Warfedales beings so small? The its not a huge room, but bid enough that I appreciated the wide soundstage and big box sound of the soundcraftsman speakers I had which were at least twice the size of the Dentons.

You may also want to consider a pair of KLH Six's, Twenty Threes, OLA's or AR-2A's. Not huge by any means, but big sound for the room you describe.
 
Personally, if the Soundcraftsman speakers sound as good as I've heard they do, and you certainly seem to like their sound as you're trying to find something that sounds like them, I would try to see if there's anyone who's been able to get inside them, find out how they did it and rebuild what you've got. Then you've got the sound you're already familiar with and like, which you'll probably like a lot more if the crossovers need new caps and the surrounds are ready to be replaced.

First I'd try getting the grills off, which I'm assuming you tried, but if not, definitely try that, as others have said, without the front covering on, the driver mounting screws may be exposed and you can acces the crossovers from the woofer opening by removing it. Or, if that doesn't work and/or you're just going to trash them anyway try running a small circular saw (like one of those battery powered ones?) down the rear seam of the back panel at a quarter or half inch depth and see if you can loosen up the backs that way. I would use the thinnest finishing style blade you can find. You should be able to manufacture a make-shift fence of some sort using pipe clamps and a straight edge to ensure a nice straight cut. You might try 1/4" first, then 3/8", etc. and try using a small pry bar like is sold for removing molding and trim to see if you can loosen it up after each cut.

If you can get to it and rebuild them I think you'd be very happy with the sound, probably moreso than before, not to mention the satisfaction you'll receive from fixing them yourself!

Good luck whatever route you take!

Nelson
 
If you are going to use stands anyway, why not find a restored pair of DCM Time Windows? They'll come in below your price point and give you an experience that will differ quite significantly from anything else in the vintage realm. The footprint is very small for a floor standing vintage speaker and the sound is excellent. Bass will fill the room nicely without being boomy. That's my #1 suggestion.
 
If you've got a big bookshelf, and can find a good deal you can get a pair of L100s. Got mine for 50, but that's not very common. They were meant to be on their sides on a shelf if you wanted to, or upright.
 
ADS L710, the newer models with the metal grills. Good ones are typically $350 to $450 and are fine sounding medium size speakers...
 
I first read this as "a terrible soft-dome tweeter"....

:D

I actually meant to say "terrific". ;)

I love the look of the wharfedales. Anyone have experience with these?

They are pretty small cabinets, which is probably the only reason I havent already ordered them. The soundcraftsman speakers I had were much bigger which gave them the big box sound and a really wide soundstage. Im looking for something that can reproduce that vintage big box sound.

You guys are have all been super helpful. Thank you all very much. Merry christmas, happy new year!

I have the Dentons. They have a nice, punchy bass for the size, smooth, gently-rolled-off highs, and liquidy-black-sounding mids ("Liquidy-black" as in, the mids have a nice, black background that is liquid-like... Excellent midrange imaging). I found them to be an excellent speaker for modern electronic music, surprisingly, and they also sounded great with old funky stuff like James Brown/the J.B.'s and that sort of thing. Check out the reviews for this model. Killer fit & finish for the price (the list price, I mean). LSA models are even nicer in that regard (Their $1000 a pair bookshelf speakers have the nicest veneers I've ever seen for a speaker in their class/price range).

How big is the room again? If it's got some size, you could always go bigger. Which model Marantz do you have? If you want a full-sized sound, a pair of old W70's like Brian mentioned (on page 1) would definitely fill the room, and even more so with a pair of W90's. I have the latter, and they are frigging bananas. Realistic, uber-natural bass that isn't overblown like with some speakers. The size is there though, don't get me wrong. They just sound RIGHT. And they are super-easy to drive. The early W*0 models favor tubes/tubelike gear and are the most-sensitive, while the later ones from the late '60's are not quite as sensitive, so they can handle a bit more power and aren't as finicky in terms of amplification and capacitors. But the later ones (I'm talking about the W*0D series here... Models like the W60D, W70D, and W90D) use a different tweeter (a purple-colored mylar dome/pressure tweeter) than the earlier ones (which use a cone-style tweeter). Both tweeters are excellent and have their merits. The W*0D models have slightly-better extension than the earlier ones (They're like a British-meets-East-Coast speaker), but the earlier ones with the cone tweeters just have that classic early Wharfedale sound. My W90's are the early ones, same as Brian's W70's. I think the W60D or W70D would be a great choice for you. The W60D's, like all W60-types, can be placed horizontally or vertically, and they sound ideal with around 30-50 watts per channel. The earlier W60's (no letter) only need like 15-30 watts per channel and can even be driven by little flea-powered SET amps, and the early W70's and W90's only need like 20-40 watts per channel. Those early W*0 models are very-sensitive. I think the W*0D series is a good place for you to start. You would love the look of them too. The W60D has been compared favorably to models like the AR3a. Smooth and dynamic, with a heavy engaging quality. The bigger models from this series are also worth a look. Affordable too.

One thing's for sure, my big W90's are here to stay. They're well-worth the huge footprint and massive weight (125lbs each). They have that WIDE soundstage you mentioned, and they hit the bullseye dead-center with classic-rock/pop/funk/soul/R&B/disco/classic punk/new wave, etc. I seriously would not trade mine for a pair of mint-looking Altec 19's, and that's the truth. It's not that they're BETTER than the 19's, necessarily. They're just better for ME. A true, listen-all-day, music-lover's speaker. Ultra-smooth, ultra-dynamic, ultra-musical, and full of life, and very-open-sounding. And they are extremely-flexible in terms of music. They're very-forgiving without giving everything that smoothed-over sound. It's like they sift through all the dirty and distortion and pull out the good stuff. Throw on some late '60's Stones, Beatles, or Hendrix, or something funky by the Commodores, Stevie Wonder, or even the "Saturday Night Fever" soundtrack, and they will FLOOR you.
 
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I have a marantz 2270. I have the wood cabinet thats been refinished so that's why I'm trying to look for a pair of speakers that will sound great and look great with the vintage amp.

I just found a pair of Altec 893a speakers on craigslist that I'm gonna give a shot I think. I know nothing about them but they are mint and they have exactly the kind of vintage wood and tweed grill look that I'm looking for.

Anyone have experience with these Altecs?
 
Also found a pair of all original klh model 5 for $400. Is that a decent deal? They look mint and are from the original owner. Any opinions on these or the altec 893a?

Thanks!
 
Also found a pair of all original klh model 5 for $400. Is that a decent deal? They look mint and are from the original owner. Any opinions on these or the altec 893a?

Thanks!


I wanted to bump this and see if I could get an opinion. I've got a line on a set of KLH model 5's in excellent condition. From the original owner. I'm excited about them, but it's actually been sorta tough to find reliable pricing info on them. There aren't a single pair on ebay right now. Is $400 a reasonable price for these?

Thanks.
 
I wanted to bump this and see if I could get an opinion. I've got a line on a set of KLH model 5's in excellent condition. From the original owner. I'm excited about them, but it's actually been sorta tough to find reliable pricing info on them. There aren't a single pair on ebay right now. Is $400 a reasonable price for these?

Thanks.


Also, any info on how these might pair with my marantz 2270 would be supremely helpful. Thanks. Happy New Year people!
 
I don't know if $400 is a good price for the 5's, but I think they would be a good match for your Marantz receiver.
 
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