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Warped records!

brickbuster

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What do you do to fix warped records, i have some i tried to heat them up with a heat gun and lay something heavy on it for a while still no luck, and its really bad when just the outter lip gets bent and you can't start the record before the first song.ANY suggestions on a fix?
 
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There's the old standard method of wedging it between two sheets of thick glass and heating it in the oven or sun. Other than that, I can't think of anything to do about serious warps around the edge.

Personally, I'd just forget about any LP that was warped that badly.
 
I believe the consensus is that warped records are generally not fixable. People have reported trying several things (most involving pressure and heat) without too much success. Thing about heating it is that the temperature has to be extremely low (probably too low to do in an oven) or else the vinyl grooves have a chance of melting and distorting not in a visual but an audible manner. I believe reading people have tried using ovens in the lower 200 degrees F region. I'd wager if you can find somewhere around 150 degrees F that you may have a chance of success if you leave the record under pressure long enough in there (who knows how long).

Is it causing the stylus to skip?

If not, it may just be something you have to live with or obtain a new copy.
 
I have a LITTLE bit of success keeping the warped records in the middle of my record collection, so that there's constant, even pressure applied to both sides. It seemed to have neutralized the warp over a long period of time.
 
It's too bad there isn't a sure fire, safe way to un-warp a record, because i got an album that i love, that a very good friend of mine got me for my birthday, and it's a little warped. It's still playable, but I'd like it to be a little less warped.
 
It's too bad there isn't a sure fire, safe way to un-warp a record, because i got an album that i love, that a very good friend of mine got me for my birthday, and it's a little warped. It's still playable, but I'd like it to be a little less warped.

I picked up a copy of Led Zeppelin's "Physical Graffiti" at GW for $0.50 - but Disc 1 is almost unplayably warped. :sigh: Disc 2 is fine and sounds great. If I could cut the degree of warp on Disc 1 down to about half of what it is, I'd have a great score.
 
I've had luck playing a few rare LP's I own that have a pretty bad warp with either of two cartridges.
ADC Integra and a Stanton 681EE mounted in a very light weight Headshell with the brush, it seems to help keep things in place. The Integra is a an all in one headshell that is very light and works really well tracking it with a cheaper ADC stylus tracking it around 2 1/4 to 2.5 grams.
 
As many people are aware, there are 'record unwarping' devices available for about $2000. In many cases, they do work.

The other approach is to use a clamp and an outer ring, such as VPI supplies, or a vacuum holddown turntable.
 
From my experience, a vacuum hold-down table won't work on a badly warped record; there isn't enough suction. May work for just a very small amount of warp, but a ring clamp (weight) should work better.

Those expensive record-flattening machines DO work, quite well. The catch is that they ramp up the temperature very slowly, over a period of at least 45 minutes, and then cool the vinyl off even more slowly, over at least two hours. You can set them to work even more slowly, which is even safer.

The temperature they reach is also not all that high; they are just warming up the record enough to soften it ever-so-slightly. Constant gentle pressure does the rest. V-e-r-y s-l-o-w cooling is critical, or else the warmed vinyl will just re-warp itself the minute the pressure is released. Low temperature is necessary to prevent "melting" of the groove details adversely affecting the sonics.

The reason people don't have much luck with DIY approaches is because either the temperature or the timing isn't correct. Usually they use too much heat over too short a time, and damage the groove information. It is hard to control things well in a DIY situation. The professional machines use laboratory-grade thermostatic controls to make sure the process is optimal, every time. That, plus the small niche market they are addressing, is responsible for the high prices they command.

You COULD DIY a good machine, but you need to incorporate precise temperature control with timing mechanisms. It would be a project at least as ambitious as a DIY record-cleaning machine, but not impossible.

I would make one, but I find very few warped records; not nearly enough to justify all the work it would involve.

There is one other problem: when the record is heated enough in the first place to warp it, often the grooves are already distorted from THAT heating/deformation, and no flattener will exactly undo the distortion that is already in the grooves. The greater the warp, the greater the distortion is likely to be. Really badly warped records cannot be fully restored, sonically speaking, even though they can be re-flattened. The machine will/may help reduce the groove distortion in some directions, by pushing things back more as they were, but it won't put things back exactly as they were, nor will it fully restore any small frequency information that is already "melted out". Whether you will hear the remaining bit of distortion is something you can only find out by playing the re-flattened record. So even when the machine successfully re-flattens the record, it may not have fully restored it.

The BEST solution is probably to just go find a new one that isn't warped. For minor warps, try a ring clamp, along with a cart/stylus that tracks well, on a longer tonearm.
 
Here's what I do..

Call me a cave man, but I have 3 nice records that sound great but have a rediculous unplayable warp and all I do before each play is hold down the lip to the platter rim with painters tape. Leaves no residue and I get to enjoy my otherwise great sounding lp's!
 
Got a problem.. get rid of it... then buy another...

BUT, if it's rare, I would probably wait until summer, then take it out into my garage and place it between two plates of glass for a few days... It gets hot in there, but not hot enough to melt the grooves, and not as hot as laying it in the sum.. maybe 100 or a little over...

That's just my cent and a half worth of idea..
 
Another method

One method you can try is an electric trouser press, very low heat, leave it in overnight. :thmbsp:
 
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