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Watts vs. efficiency - Which way to go?

CraigVMN

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My little Monoprice Pure Tube integrated puts out 10 watts per into 4 ohms, or about half that into 8 ohms.

I have a pair of Elac Unifi UB5 (original) rated at 85Db & 4 ohms, and a pair of Cambridge Audio Aeromax 2 rated at 90Db & 8 ohm?

Which is better for moderate volume & ease for the amp to drive?
 
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I go for outrageous efficiency first. One you have good efficient speakers your amp options open up vastly. Then start saving for a ~50+ watt pushpull amplifier.
Answer is yes,I go for efficiency and big power.

Good efficient speakers can produce more sound than you can probably stand to be in the room with on far less than 10 watts.
 
I go for outrageous efficiency first. One you have good efficient speakers your amp options open up vastly. Then start saving for a ~50+ watt pushpull amplifier.
Answer is yes,I go for efficiency and big power.

Good efficient speakers can produce more sound than you can probably stand to be in the room with on far less than 10 watts.

But I have a self-imposed moratorium preventing me from buying any more audio stuff. Plus, my space is a small office.
 
Always go for the more efficient set.
Otherwise (in my experience) go or the one with the deepest cabinet.

No shame in trying both sets and determining the answer empirically.
 
But I have a self-imposed moratorium preventing me from buying any more audio stuff. Plus, my space is a small office.

If you are playing at low or even what you might say moderate level in a small office, it doesn't really matter either way from a practical standpoint. You're using a mere fraction of a watt in either case.

Go with which pairing you think sounds the best, and don't be concern with the rest. If you were trying to get maximum possible SPL there might be more to consider in those details, but it seems that's not the case so don't sweat them.
 
I'm with Gadget on this one: Try what you already own. Speaker specs are a little iffy I've discovered. They can give yo a ballpark figure, but it's best to actually try them out and see what happens. You might find that a particular pairing works well in the space you want to listen in, or at least performs acceptably. Then you can plan your next moves, whether that's more power, or higher efficiency.
 
I’m going to chime in on this one, the speaker shown here as my image is an Altec Madrid with a modified HF JBL 075 bullet tweeter, and the large edge wound aluminum ribbon wire voicecoils provide excellent efficiency. They were originally designed when tube amplifiers were starting to be replaced by solid state units. They fill the room with sound without needing a ton of power. Perfect for a tube amplifier. One of the reasons they perform so well is the crossover is a simple design that doesn’t soak up a lot of power. They rely on the full range design of the woofer. I have to keep the HF turned down significantly in order to get a “flat”response. While they are extremely efficient, the sound is a bit colored.
 
My little Monoprice Pure Tube integrated puts out 10 watts per into 4 ohms, or about half that into 8 ohms.

I have a pair of Elac Unifi UB5 (original) rated at 85Db & 4 ohms, and a pair of Cambridge Audio Aeromax 2 rated at 90Db & 8 ohm?

Which is better for moderate volume & ease for the amp to drive?
I don’t think any pure tube amp has 10 watts into 8 ohms and 4 watts on 4 ohms if they have both taps I would try both taps on both pair of speakers and place the speakers speakers
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My little Monoprice Pure Tube integrated puts out 10 watts per into 4 ohms, or about half that into 8 ohms.

I have a pair of Elac Unifi UB5 (original) rated at 85Db & 4 ohms, and a pair of Cambridge Audio Aeromax 2 rated at 90Db & 8 ohm?

Which is better for moderate volume & ease for the amp to drive?
I fully agree with the "try them both and use whichever one sounds best to you" approach. It's your room, your music, and your ears.

However, since this is actually a tube amp the power output difference between using 4 ohm vs 8 ohm speakers is not the same as it would be with a SS or Class D amp or a hybrid that uses a SS or Class D output section.

Those types typically do produce significantly less (roughly half in some cases?) power output with 8 ohm speakers than they do with 4 ohms. There will be a difference with a traditional tube amp that uses output transformers but, as I understand it, the power output difference is not nearly that extreme.

No doubt those with more technical expertise can elaborate further.

As for which speaker will be easier to drive, a lot depends on the impedance curves of the speakers. Impedance isn't static, it varies with frequency. Tubes work best with impedance curves that have less variation and don't dip to extremely low levels. Crossover design also plays a big role, the simpler the better.

And I'm sure it would be helpful to know the measured primary impedance of the output transformer. Until you know that it's just speculation as to whether 4 ohm or 8 ohm would be closer to an ideal match with the output tubes being used. The amp just has one set of outputs per channel, not separate taps for 4 ohms and 8 ohms.

I noticed that the manufacturer claims the output is simply 10w and makes no distinction between different speaker impedances. So, again, just use your ears and your speakers and decide for yourself.

While it's nice to have some headroom for peaks (dynamics), if you measure the average SPL and compare it with your speaker's specs (I know . . . not typically accurate and impedance curves are not considered) you'll likely find that you're using very little wattage under normal listening conditions, especially in an office environment.

I have big, vintage, Yamaha M-60 SS power amp which has power output meters. It's rated for 210 wpc at 4 ohms, 185 wpc at 6 ohms, and 160 wpc at 8 ohms. I don't know how accurate the meters are but I assume they're not too far off. In normal listening they bounce around between 0.75w and 1.5w using vintage 8 ohm speakers which typically claim efficiency in the 87db to 92 db range.
 
Re. the 4/8 ohm power of tube amp.

If the amp has different taps for 4 and 8 ohms then typically the power from either tap would be similar for a "matched" load. If the amp has only one set of output terminals then likely there will be different power depending if the load matches the tap or is a mismatch.

Again though, it sounds like in this use case it's mostly a matter of academics rather than of practical implication.
 
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