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Weight on records/turntable

I don't use the weight I have religiously (or even atheistically) but I am often surprised how much it seems to flatten out what appear to be unwarped records. I have no concerns on my Dual 1019 or 1219 (which have very heavy platters to begin with), my very robust Sony PS-2400 (belt drive), or a sturdy motor direct drive like a Technics 1200, but I won't use it on my AR XA, Empire 598 or other lightly sprung or low torque tables.

I'm not sure I hear a sonic difference but that flattening aspect seems like a good thing.
 
I'm glad someone finally mentioned this, as IMO it's the most important argument in favor of using a record clamp or weight. An unclamped record can act as a great big microphone diaphragm, picking up sound waves from the listening room and funneling them into the stylus and cartridge. There are several variables that can influence the severity of this effect, including the mass of the record and the composition of the platter mat, but I've encountered it often enough to appreciate that it's real. In my own system I've compared playback with and without a record clamp and found that my phono front end sounds slightly cleaner with the clamp, so I use it. YMMV.

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I assume by saying the LP is a big microphone diaphram, you mean it moves due to the sound waves (of the music being played) and this can affect the sound?
 
I have one, and though I'm not so sure about the sonic effects, it makes for a good hypnotic effect and conversational piece.

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Ask very respected AK member 63PontiacGP what we discovered with using weights! He was getting a weird pulse sound through his sub when he put on a Dire Straits record. He tried his other TT, with weight, and same thing. We re-aligned and VTF'd both, but the problem was still there on one TT. I took the weight off, altered the speed to 45 then back to 33 and issue went away. It's almost as if the motor was stuck in a weird, non-audible RPM range trying to carry the extra weight. After it was fixed, while the record was playing I applied a bit of pressure to the record and recreated the pulse sound.

No weights for me, I'll stick to Q-Dampened Denons :music:
 
I have been through numerous tables as of late and NEVER benefit from a weight/clamp. When I have tested them I find detail tends to get slightly muted.

Mats however do make a difference.

Don't waste your money :no:
 
I have both and use both.

I have the JAMichell clamp and it works beautifully. I also have two brass record weights that also work beautifully. And my SL1200 can easily handle the extra load. And by "work beautifully", I mean they do what they're supposed to do:...couple the LP to the platter....that is what they're supposed to do....with no promises/guarantees of improvement in sound quality.

I should add that I DO NOT use these items for any sort of "perceived" improvement in sound quality. I simply believe that a clamping device of some sort is better than none, as it allows the record and platter to function as a single entity.

Some will agree with me...others will not, and I really don't care one way or the other. I'm not posting this so that anyone can agree or disagree with me. I'm posting this because it is based on my own personal experience with both types of devices.

Also see above as ScaleAutoArt is claiming that mats improve the sound, but that clamps/weights do not.

Where is the line drawn? Is there any published information that would corroborate with regard to mats and clamps/weights and perceived improvement in sound quality? What about cables? What about putting o-rings around your tonearm?

Where is the line drawn in "real versus perceived"?

If it works for you, great.

If not, you don't have to use whatever device/tweak.

Dr. Tinear said it best.
 
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One can always poke a 7mm hole in a mayonaise jar lid and use that as a clamp. If'n ya thinks it does wonders, ya kin fill it with lead shot and silly pucky to hold the shot in. Works like a clamp and weight, 'n cheap as dirt. :thmbsp:
 
i like something like the J.A. Mitchell Clamp best. However, i sold mine because i was told it wasn't so useful with a non-suspended system, which mine is not. There would seem to be merit in making the platter, mat and LP all one cohesive unit. i don't own any warped records, so i haven't sought another clamp or weight, but i think i would tend more toward the clamp, as not to add weight to the bearing, as was noted earlier.

In one of the much-higher-end-than-my-paygrade-allows TTs, a weight probably makes all the sense in the world. IMHO, i would think direct drive would deal with a weight better than a belt drive...seems it would wear belts faster, but again, pure conjecture on my part.

In my case without a clamp or weight, it has worked fine, and many told me it wasn't necessary for my TT. I dont notice any kind of torquing with the platter or cork mat, and wouldn't expect to, still i often wonder if i made a mistake selling the clamp before hearing the difference, but i sold it as new, so i didn't even want to take it out of it's bag.

When that fine day comes when i can get a big Denon Direct Drive, or maybe another make if i find one i love like those, i will likely have a Mitchell Clamp just for it. That fine day, my Music Hall gets a Mono Cart, connects to my Marantz 1060, and some Kloss Advents in my Studio/mancave....the dream continues.
 
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You will find many in both camps, but I will make this distinction. I use weights on all my tables. Over tighten a clamp and you will stress the record with too much pressure. I prefer the none tightening clamps, as they couple the record to the platter with no stress to the LP. Since the Thorens stabilizer weighs more than my current weights I am not concerned with the bearing supporting the weight. My tables all have SS Thrustplates installed as well.

On my Clearaudio Master Solution table which has a cutout in the top surface of the acrylic platter to accommodate the center portion of the LP label, I use the supplied weight.

The benefits are more noticeable on a more resolving system. I will continue to use them!

Regards,
Jim
 
What is probably the most effective solution was a weight or clamp and a outer ring around the edge of the platter or a vacuum system to holds the entire record flat. This done well wasn't cheap but like a lot in audio the opportunists came along and peddled cheap and not so cheap weights/clamps promising the same results as the top dollar items. Thousands of those cheap weights/clamps add up to a tidy sum for the mfg and gives the poor buyer a sense that it must sound better or at least different and in some cases worse. I'm of the opinion that if you need to buy a tweak you probably need to buy a better turntable.
 
I've just purchased this Furutech Monza LP stabilizer. It's a big step up/upgrade in terms of price compared to the clamp I've been using on my L-07D TT at the moment.
I'll post my thoughts (and a few pics) when it arrives by the end of the week. Although,gotta admit even if I can't notice any SQ improvement,it'll still be worth it for me personally just for it's supa cool looks alone.



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The Furutech Monza LP stabilizer has arrived! First impressions are very good...awesome engineering/build quality that you can just feel in-hand straight away. Also,judging by the pic in the manual,helluva lot of tech knowhow has gone on inside.
Haven't had time for a serious listen yet (that'll come late tonight),but first impressions are excellent to say the very least. It's actually made in Japan too!




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I've found that coloring the edge of the record with a black magic marker makes for better sound than a weight, but it doesn't look as good.. .

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I've just purchased this Furutech Monza LP stabilizer. It's a big step up/upgrade in terms of price compared to the clamp I've been using on my L-07D TT at the moment.
I'll post my thoughts (and a few pics) when it arrives by the end of the week. Although,gotta admit even if I can't notice any SQ improvement,it'll still be worth it for me personally just for it's supa cool looks alone.



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Oh yeah....it's nice enough, but I'm not spending over $500 on a clamp/weight....and the Furutech Monza is well over $500. Nope...not gonna do it.
 
Yeah,it's a lot of money for a record clamp,but build quality wise I can clearly see where the money went...haven't had time to do any serious listening yet (that'll be around 2 hours time),but the sceptics should check out the review in the link below where the Furutech Monza LP stabilizer is compared against a fairly expensive Transrotor record clamp,the reviewer much prefered the Furutech Monza...it made the music sound much better.
So,that's 2 Furutech products (record demagnetizer included) that have gained great reviews from different reviewers :)





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A few notes I took whilst listening with the Furutech Monza LP stabilizer with records that have being played over and over very recently with my previous budget £40 record clamp.

Now the music is altogether more focused/tighter than ever before,especially bass... which is now so good that you can actually kind of feel it travel down through you,but in a lovely deep analogue musical way. When my fav songs give me goosebumps all over like never before...I just knows I'm onto a winner!

Of course,the reviewer in the link above placed he's words/sentences much better than in my mini personal review,but overall I wholeheartedly agree with everything he's stated in he's review.

And for those who say record weights/clamps/stabilizers add no SQ improvement...all I can say is you're totally wrong,therefore have never actually listened or properly compared.
 
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