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Parallax982

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I know it's an old Zenith black-dial radio. Picked it up this morning for $40.

The top is quite banged up.

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I'm told the radio worked last time it was turned on but that was years ago.

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The owner was about to toss it out. Figured I'd rescue the old thing and give it a home in my garage for a while.
 
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Looks like you have a fun project.
Assuming it works, it's all but impossible to get a radio signal where I live. There is a phono input. I have no turntable. I'm more of a streaming guy. I know turntable inputs are different than other devices. Also noticed that the tuning dial turns but the needle moves just a tiny bit (if at all).
 
Depends on your skills and what you plan on doing with it after you’re done. I pulled a old tube amp out of a console. Found some schematics for it. Replaced some capacitors and made a nice wooden frame for it. Replaced the speaker connections and input connectors. It sounds really good, but I don’t have the skills to know how safe it is. I use it myself once in a while, but I would not trust it enough to sell it, or even give it to someone else for fear it could catch fire or shock them.lol
 
I think a project like that is over my head, but it would be fun trying to restore it. Can the wood be refinished, or is it beyond repair?
 
Depends on your skills and what you plan on doing with it after you’re done. I pulled a old tube amp out of a console. Found some schematics for it. Replaced some capacitors and made a nice wooden frame for it. Replaced the speaker connections and input connectors. It sounds really good, but I don’t have the skills to know how safe it is. I use it myself once in a while, but I would not trust it enough to sell it, or even give it to someone else for fear it could catch fire or shock them.lol
I've heard that these old black-dial Zeniths have a following but I don't know anything more than that.
 
pre-war Zenith but I don't know them enough to be more specific. I'm thinking circa 1937 or so. Model number might be in there somewhere. Zenith model numbers are a tube count - a letter that translates to year of manufacturer - some numbers that basically tell you the cabinet style

Its veneer over plywood. These things weren't solid wood even in the 20s.
 
pre-war Zenith but I don't know them enough to be more specific. I'm thinking circa 1937 or so. Model number might be in there somewhere. Zenith model numbers are a tube count - a letter that translates to year of manufacturer - some numbers that basically tell you the cabinet style

Its veneer over plywood. These things weren't solid wood even in the 20s.
Interesting. Didn't know wood was dear that far back. As a kid in the 1960s, I remember how forms for setting concrete were left in place sometimes to slowly rot away. Perhaps the more exotic woods got scarce much sooner.

How would I find the model number?
 
Its veneer over plywood. These things weren't solid wood even in the 20s.
Exactly

I hate like hell to rain on your parade, but with all the holes drilled in the top (look close, what's up with that :dunno: ), the hole drilled in the front for the toggle switch kludge that's likely covering for the original power switch being bad, the badly scratched, lifted, gouged veneer, and missing knobs, I see a parts set there (or a VERY ambitious restoration that'll likely cost more than it's worth).

But, if your lookin for a "labor of love" project, I've seen far worse get prettied up, so I guess it's up to you how far ya want to go with it. If your are gonna keep it, my first order of business before applying power to it would be to replace that cardboard electrolytic capacitor, they are almost always bad and have the very real possibility of taking out at least your rectifier tube and at worst your power transformer.

Lastly, this is the "money" black dial Zenith, with the tuning eye tube (note that this is the wrong eye, it's a 6U5/6G5 VS the VERY rare 6T5 that belongs there

(Not my pic, a random internet grab)

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6U5/6G5 type ............................................................... 6T5 type


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Exactly

I hate like hell to rain on your parade, but with all the holes drilled in the top (look close, what's up with that :dunno: ), the hole drilled in the front for the toggle switch kludge that's likely covering for the original power switch being bad, the badly scratched, lifted, gouged veneer, and missing knobs, I see a parts set there (or a VERY ambitious restoration that'll likely cost more than it's worth).

But, if your lookin for a "labor of love" project, I've seen far worse get prettied up, so I guess it's up to you how far ya want to go with it. If your are gonna keep it, my first order of business before applying power to it would be to replace that cardboard electrolytic capacitor, they are almost always bad and have the very real possibility of taking out at least your rectifier tube and at worst your power transformer.

Lastly, this is the "money" black dial Zenith, with the tuning eye tube (note that this is the wrong eye, it's a 6U5/6G5 VS the VERY rare 6T5 that belongs there

(Not my pic, a random internet grab)

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6U5/6G5 type ............................................................... 6T5 type


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Can you explain that tuning eye tube thing? I'm not following what you've said.
 
Can you explain that tuning eye tube thing? I'm not following what you've said.

I was showing you pics of the black dial Zenith that has a following so you can compare it with the one you got, which isn't as desirable as a collector piece. The tuning eye (or "Magic eye") is best described by this wiki article;

"A magic eye tube or tuning indicator, in technical literature called an electron-ray indicator tube,[1] is a vacuum tube which gives a visual indication of the amplitude of an electronic signal, such as an audio output, radio-frequency signal strength, or other functions.[1] The magic eye (also called a cat's eye, or tuning eye in North America) is a specific type of such a tube with a circular display similar to the EM34 illustrated. Its first broad application was as a tuning indicator in radio receivers, to give an indication of the relative strength of the received radio signal, to show when a radio station was properly tuned in."

Now, to address this;

"I just don't have any technical knowledge. Would it be safe to mess around with something like this?"

If you don't mind I'm gonna save myself a whole lot of typing here and do a cut & paste of a response I gave a different poster just the other day asking basically the same question, this was in response to a guy asking about a Magnavox that is a family heirloom;



"Although it's never right to make blanket statements like "it's never the ceramic caps" because on rather rare occasions they DO fail, it's just not all that often compared to the two common other types that do fail all too regularly. BTW, ceramic caps were around a lot longer than 1956, in not only Magnavox but in every other manufacturer's equipment as well. The two most failure prone caps are the "paper & foil" type, whether they are covered in carboard/wax or hard plastic, and the "electrolytic" type.

No, you will not be using "NOS" capacitors, as age is as big of a factor in their demise as use is. you will be using all brand new caps.

Now, for the hard part and please don't take this as an attack on your lack of skills, because it's not........

Just from the questions your asking, and your self description as a "Nube", it's plainly obvious your not yet ready to restore this console. Nobody, not a single one of us here, was born with all of the knowledge/skills needed to do expert repairs on complex vintage tube equipment, it just doesn't happen that way. What I believe would be best for you if you want to do this restoration yourself, would be to put this console away for a while, and set out to learn the skills required to not destroy this sentimental piece with failed novice repairs. There are three things that will greatly enhance your chances of success. First & foremost, start watching some of the millions of UTube videos there are on restoring vintage tube equipment. Realize of course that not every UTube video creator is the expert they profess themselves to be, there are a lot of hackjob artists/pretenders out there but the more you watch and learn the more you'll be able to recognize who the real experts are VS who are the ones who should have their soldering irons confiscated & impounded. And that brings us to the next item up, soldering. You are gonna need to be able to make quality solder joints (connections), again with the UTube videos but this also has to be a hands on learning experience, no amount of watching videos of others do it is gonna impart the skill onto you, ya gotta do your "time in the trenches" and there is no better way than (after watching the UTube tutorials) buying a few cheap electronic kits (Yes they do still exist) and build them to gain your soldering experience. Lastly, tying your newly learned knowledge & soldering skills together, you'll bring them into the vacuum tube world by picking up a couple or few cheap "AA5" AM tube radios from someplace like EBay, yard sales, or perhaps consider buying a $25 subscription here at AK and put a wanted to buy ad in "BarterTown" for a few cheap "AA5" radios (unrestored) to learn the nuances of actually replacing things like capacitors & resistors in vacuum tube equipment. (I'm gonna make your first real homework assignment to be a search of "AA5 tube radio" and begin your education there).

I know that sounds like a lot, but if your really interested in restoring this yourself, that's the basics of what it's gonna take. You really WERE lookin for a new hobby, right? ;)

Cause once ya really get into it, , , the restoration of vintage tube equipment is a fine hobby (obsession :rflmao:) indeed......

PS, STOP plugging the console in, there are several components that can go up in smoke, pricy sometimes not easy to source components, that will live just about forever AFTER the appropriate restoration repairs are made...... :thumbsup:"
 
Can you take a picture of the back of the chassis and post it. My guess it is a 8 or 10 tube model from 1937. I believe that was the year the target tuning (a bullseye) was used. What happens with the target tuning is the needle will be at the bottom when it has a weak signal. When you dial your station in and get a strong signal, the needle will move to the center bullseye.
The model number will look like 8S129 or 10S160. The first number is the tube count. I believe the second number was type of radio (IE: battery set or electric,but I might be wrong on this. The last 3 are year and cabinet style. If the first number filling the S is a 1, then it is from 1937. If the number following the S is a 2, then it would be a 1938. See where this is going….

This Would take quite a bit of effort, but I think I would fix this one up. You can get tubes, cabinet refinishing supples, grill cloth, capacitors, knobs from antique electric supply, or radiodaze. you can get a schematic from nostalgia air.
 
Some magic eye patterns for your viewing pleasure. The OE Zenith was the "bullseye" 6T5 one, but the 6E5 is the commonly available one.


the rest of the page has neat stuff too


the "money dial" @init4fun mentioned is whats called the "shutter dial". The entire printed area changes with the band selector, and it looks a bit like a mechanical camera shutter when it does.

personally I've always loved these airplane dial sets, though I have never owned one.
 
Do you have woodworking skills? Veneer can be replaced (and is frequently the top due to water damage). All the pre-war Zenith radios have a following, some more than others. Might be an interesting long term project.
I have been involved in tube audio since my teens; radio wasn’t my thing. Woodworking/cabinetry was limited to musical instrument cabs covered in vinyl (hides a lot). I trash picked a Philco 38-690, learned what I needed and bought/restored the test equipment to service it. Restored and refinished the cabinet first, because it isn’t my favorite thing, although I had some experience.
Ended up with a new hobby, and have done a 1925 Griebe MU-1, in addition to some 60s FM stuff. I say go for it, don’t part it out. Pass it on if you don’t feel you have the skills to save it.
 

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The radio is fantastic and DXing is a spinoff hobby with a radio like this. Ironically, I first got it working after the restoration on 12/7/2021; the first thing that I heard was a rebroadcast of FDR declaring war on Japan. To think someone might have heard that live on that very radio….Lou Gehrig’s “Luckiest Man Alive” was aired on WABC, which was a preset on my Philco.
My Griebe radio is 100 years old, imagine all the things heard on it through the years.
i also built a low power AM transmitter so I can listen to streaming, or any other source, without permanent modifications.
 
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