jstang
Honey,I can't hear you...
Excellent ...thanks.....
But I did not realize our heads were filled with so much BS.....
jk
What is "Air around Instruments"
- Thread starter specialidiot
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Excellent ...thanks.....
But I did not realize our heads were filled with so much BS.....
jk
dr*audio
Fish fingers and custard!
I would describe it this way:
When I listen to a string quartet, and it sounds like it was recorded live, and I hear the sound of each instrument and it's reflection off the space around it, rather than each instrument seeming to emanate from dead air, with no reflections, as if it was a multi - mic recording. It gives the impression, as has been said here, of "being there" or of the musicians being in your listening space.
When I listen to a string quartet, and it sounds like it was recorded live, and I hear the sound of each instrument and it's reflection off the space around it, rather than each instrument seeming to emanate from dead air, with no reflections, as if it was a multi - mic recording. It gives the impression, as has been said here, of "being there" or of the musicians being in your listening space.
Haven't the slightest idea, really. I generally find these vague, kinda made-up descriptive words to be pretty much useless, but then that's just my opinion... Buttery and airy as adjectives sound more like they belong in a dessert cookbook than anywhere else.
reggaenaut
Addicted Member
Perhaps rightly so, but sometimes one needs to connect through metaphors and images.
geiman
E Wave appellation #49
Ok, but I want to know what the music sounds like, not the coloration the freaking equipment adds. It should sound like nothing! "Buttery", Air", "Tight", "Open", who cares. Are you listening to the music or the equipment, tell me what matters to you and I will tell you who the true audiophile is.
Thank you.
Rant over.
Forgive me.
Thank you.
Rant over.
Forgive me.
Chazb11
Vintage Human
:lmao:
:lmao::lmao:
I thought I knew what it meant until I read this thread, now I'm not so sure.
jayk
Super Member
last i knew, most musical instruments could be played in air but not butter.
so, 'airy' works for me.
ablethevoice
boatanchors rule!
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dr*audio
Fish fingers and custard!
Um, I want it to sound like the musicians are there in front of me, playing. I want it to sound real, not realistic.
defilamintkid
Active Member
to me the " air " is the space in which instruments and vocalist appear as if
in their own physical space in the musical soundstage..even perhaps "floating" somewhere from somewhat left to in between to somewhere right of speakers and from back to front of these. Depending on the recording.
kind of like angel food cake plenty of air or
angel food cake all mushed up in a ball .. no air
or soda that has gone flat
maybe even like a flat tire :scratch2:
Oh well it's just for the fun it all :thmbsp:
in their own physical space in the musical soundstage..even perhaps "floating" somewhere from somewhat left to in between to somewhere right of speakers and from back to front of these. Depending on the recording.
kind of like angel food cake plenty of air or
angel food cake all mushed up in a ball .. no air
or soda that has gone flat
maybe even like a flat tire :scratch2:
Oh well it's just for the fun it all :thmbsp:
reggaenaut
Addicted Member
kind of like angel food cake plenty of air or
angel food cake all mushed up in a ball .. no air
or soda that has gone flat
maybe even like a flat tire :scratch2:
Oh well it's just for the fun it all :thmbsp:
Immense use of the language.
Brett a
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They are not useless when two or more people share the experiece they describe, The they become like all other words; tools that point to experiences or objects.
When I say "green", without a shared understanding of what that means, it is a totally useless word. But we all have some concept of what green means, so we can utilize it when we communicate.
I think there have been some good descriptions offered here already. So you might get a better sense of what we're talking about our perceptions with words like like "air" or "bloom".
Brett a
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This is an excellent description.
But I think instruments can be well spaced within the soundsatge and still have more or less air around them. Air to me also implies that the instruments have plenty of space to breathe. Time and space for their timbres to be fully realized. That's to say that an instrument can stand freely in its space in the soundstage and still sound a bit compressed or thin unto it self.
(I'll bet I just lost a few people there
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specialidiot
Break Glass, Smoke Lucky
I understand that I should be able to hear "what's called "air"" since I can here the difference between live and reproduced music.
My question isn't whether I can hear it. My question is what sound qualities are assigned to the term.
Accusations of having a tin ear are gleefully ignored.................
jayk
Super Member
my relatively 'new-to-me' pioneer qa800a amp produces music with an 'airy' sound, imo. it's still running strong, jeff.
thanks, again!
specialidiot
Break Glass, Smoke Lucky
my relatively 'new-to-me' pioneer qa800a amp produces music with an 'airy' sound, imo. it's still running strong, jeff.
thanks, again!
Hey, I forgot about that amp. I could use it about now, too.
I'm glad you are enjoying it and it's running well.
ChairSpud
Super Member
I think the guys here have done a pretty good job with many examples of "air" but I'll give it a try.
"Air" is far more easily heard on very good stero systems and once heard "air" becomes instantly recognizeable. The easiest way to experience it without spending a lot is to go to your local hi-end dealer and ask them to demonstrate "air".
Maybe not the best, but an extreme example is listening to a cheap record player. Fidelity issues aside, the individual musicians and their instruments are mixed and "muddled" together with absolutely no "air" around them. On a very good stereo, the musicians, their instruments and the ambient sounds of the stage remain clearly focused as reproduced from the original recording. The "air" is preserved and you can hear into the performance that there is space on the stage, between the musicians, the instruments and notes played remain seperate and indentifiable and don't "muddle" together as more than one instrument is played. Hope that helps.
