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What Makes A Good Preamp?

gto47

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Hi all. I've used a lot of different fringe hi-fi brands over the years. Adcom, Nikko, NAD, Sansui. I've owned them all - some in multiples - but i'm a 'young' guy here which sometimes makes me unsure how a given component should have performed in its price bracket when new.

The then-new NAD C320BEE was my first attempted foray into hi-fi. Although even before that I had owned a trash picked Nikko NR-800 (of which i tragically broke the PCB by hitting the treble knob against something). That was actually a pretty nice amp retrospectively, maybe better than the C320.

After about 8 years of ownership my conclusion now seems to be that it never was a very good amp to begin with. Today I tested the preamp sections with an Adcom GFA-555 II. My usual workhorse preamp is an integrated NAD 7140, hooked via pre-out to the Adcom.

The difference between the 7140 and the C320 is huge. Its easiest to notice at low volume levels where the c320 sounds dull and the 7140 sounds lifelike on my OHM L supertweeter. Because I used the same power amp in both tests, I know that its the preamp that ruins the C320's performance. The dull treble continues into higher volumes, and the thing never really delivers satisfaction.

Back in '88 the 7140 would have had a similar price range to the C320 at around $450 from what I can gather. Remember we must factor in that the 7140 also included a Phono section as well as a pretty awesome tuner. The 3xxx would have been more comparable in price and was basically the same amp minus the tuner. I've heard similarly great sound from the NAD 7020 which has the worst used value of all the NAD amps.

I would like to believe that sheer cheapness is not the cause of mediocre sound here, and that maybe the dull "neutral" sound is intentional. Are there any modifications that could be done to improve the preamp section? And secondly, what is the mark of a good preamp section? Is it just a matter of poor circuit design, or have they gone with some really crap components?
 
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Short answer - A lack of noise.

You might also consider what ancillary equipment might have been when either model was being developed.

The 7140 was probably voiced with tape and phono sources, playing back through speakers of the day that were likely to be paired with a budget mid-fi piece. Same with the 320 - it might be geared toward MP3 / CD playback, and was voiced with modern speakers with a brighter tendency.

Anyway, what makes a preamp great is synergy - how well it works in a particular system. Some preamps are generally well loved, but to find a 70/30 love/hate ratio for a preamp would be amazing, I think. Price is irrelevant - I have a TEC preamp that sounds great, was $70 and should have cost $20. Execution and design are obviously most important.

What would be the top three on the not-stupid-crazy-priced preamp list? I can't think of a single one that would be on it. Maybe the NAD 1020, maybe a Yamaha...Certainly a Yamaha, they're quite popular, generally, but which? Why?

I do know that there is no shortage of "BEE" NADs for sale at any one moment...
 
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JFETs (a type of transistor) make a good preamp! the idea is they somewhat resemble tubes in their distortion tendencies (even-order-dominated vs. odd-order for BJTs) but offer lower noise and higher bandwidth (at least as far as I understand).

ultimately, a fair amount of the magic is also in the power supply (true of any electronics). if the power supply is overbuilt to begin with (a large transformer and plenty of filter capacitance, for starters), you're in a pretty good place. FBOW, i've become biased to the point where i'm really not interested unless the preamp looks like it could be a 25+Wpc integrated amp. my current preamp could be a 150Wpc amp, which is frankly a bit ridiculous but does sound incredible. i like to bust this pic out every once in a while, it's just the power supply enclosure:

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My answer: It Depends.

It Depends on your needs.

If it's purity and simplicity with no abundance of switching or features, a passive pre with as little electronics as possible might be your preference.

If it's versatility like titanstats prefers, then you make compromises, hopefully as few as possible. You'll need active circuits built with quality parts and a solid design so it has the minimal noise floor acceptable in your compromised solution. Just remember that in this case, less is often more. The need for a steady, reliable power supply with good filtering is certain. However, I don't necessarily agree with Chris that it needs to be so overbuilt - for something supplying line level voltages - but it certainly doesn't hurt.
 
sometimes copious amounts of fairy dust is required. if you've ever looked into any YBA gear you'd know what I mean. what do you see, well the main preamp module is sunk into a block of epoxy. so you don't know what the heck is going on in there and hey what's that in the phono section of a $3000 dollar preamp... op-amps. yup op-amps and not very good ones at that. totally put me off YBA gear. no wonder they use those torques type screws with really strange sizes to hold the cover on. cost me $35 bucks for a customized screwdriver set to find this out. oh and they feel some kinda need to cover the transformer in velour :-)

to show a little kindness to them the capacitors used are top notch.
 
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