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What qualities do you crave most out of your speakers?

Anonymity. By that I mean that I don't want my speakers to have a sound of their own. I want them to be an expression of what is fed into them. An open window. To be responsive enough that they track any and all changes to the upstream components.

The magic we are all seeking is in the recording. Nothing tops what the artists laid down. I have a good enough system that it mostly gets out of the way of the recording(if I have done my bit and set-up the cartridge correctly). I want my speakers to convey the excellence or otherwise of what is going-on. Honesty.

Appearance. Nope. I'm not wedded to what anything looks like. Couldn't care less if it looks exactly like a 5 foot tall turd stood on one end as long as it provides those other qualities. No wife means no WAF.
 
Nice, guys... You got the idea... Exactly what I was looking for here. :thmbsp:

What Tomlinmgt said in his first post makes sense and actually explains a lot about his speaker choices over the past 4 or 5 years. It's kind of like going out to a big theater to see a movie once in a while rather than renting the DVD/blu-ray for a week. Says a lot about him as a listener/speaker buyer.
 
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Spot on high end, mattlic a bit Full controlled bass. I guess colored!
Not a fan of of the neutral sound, no I like some bite as of late.


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Boozehound
 
While I value a lot of things about a speaker, perhaps at the top of my list is tonal balance and dynamic scale. Without proper tone, a speaker is fatally flawed. But a speaker must also get the dynamic scale of instruments, singers, and bands right....otherwise it just sounds like a stereo. This occurs at a macro level like when your favorite rock or blues band kicks it in high gear, but also at the micro level, so that a cymbal crash sounds right and decays properly, or a wicked trumpet solo is played. More than anything tone and dynamic scale is what defines the sounds we hear, what the essence of music sounds like.

I also want a speaker to image well, to create that illusion of a performance. Now it does not need to be bigger than life, but to create a nice layered and stable image with the speaker disappearing. Also the mids have to be spot on, with a naturalness that conveys what a voice or instrument sounds natural.

Bass isn't a huge deal for me, but I do like it. As long as it is fast and tight i don't care if it does not reach the lowest of low. But I don't want it to stick out like a sore thumb. Having a cohesive sound from top to bottom is a goal for sure.

Finally a speaker should be efficient enough to be used with low powered amps. Not only is this a characteristic that aids that ability to render dynamic scale, it also allows for amplification that uses fewer parts, shorter signal paths, and a more direct design. I am not a fan of 200 watt plus amps into 85db efficient speakers. I prefer 8 wpc into 96 dB+ speakers.

And this usually means horns. I love horns and bass bins. I cannot afford a pair right now, so i got the next best thing. a co-axial 10" speaker in an open baffle arrangement and a pair of 10" bass drivers on each side. But I am plotting for horns, they are going to be my next big purchase. It may take a few years but i will get there. The horns could be made of wood, or an automotive painted fiberglass, or even paper mache. Yes there is someone building a very intriguing paper mache horn these days.

Regards
Mister Pig

Very much like mine. I will also add distributed bass system to it.
 
One thing I value these days is timbre. I'm a guitarist, one who appreciates the sound of the classic instruments like a Gibson Les Paul or a Fender Strat or Tele (the REAL ones from the '50's and '60's especially... Gilbson AND Fender these days really aren't what they used to be), and I also appreciate the old tube guitar amps as well as the classic analog effects of the '60's and '70's, and when I got my first tube receiver, THAT'S when I started hearing those instruments, amps, and effects for real. It may have been just as much a factor of finding the rlght amplification for my main speakers as it was a factor of going tube, but I suspect it's a bit of both. I'm no stranger to the organic, visceral, fleshed-out tones of tube amplification, but my experience was with guitar amps and not the hi-fi type, and I'm finally hearing those guitar amps properly, and the same goes for the classic Hammond B3 sound as well as the Rhodes electric piano and Mellotron sounds. And it thankfully doesn't stop there. Acoustic guitars and pianos as well as the classic horn and string instruments are ringing true as well (Probably a bad choice of words when discussing a loudspeaker, but you get what I'm saying).

The bass with my current setup is effortless, yet quite-laid-back, but it's laid-back in that BIG SPEAKER sense. The beat is there and it's strong and dynamic and the weight is right, but it's not clobbering you over the head either.

And I'm fairly-new to this level of openness where the mids are really popping, even at some pretty-low volume levels. Again, I think tube/tube-era gear plays a large role here, but so do my speakers.
 
A clear window to what's on the record. I don't want any frequency exaggerated. I want micro detail to be there... to hear the singers breath, or other details lost in most speakers. I want a big soundstage and pinpoint imaging. Also accurate definition of instruments (especially in the bass line, definition...not SPL) separated from each other in space, (I think having the "air" around the instruments might be one of the hardest things). I want to hear the acoustics of the room the album was recorded in... So far what I have pretty much gives me everything I crave. Although there is always something better..
I guess I don't "need" massive dynamics, I don't need to shake the house.. I would actually like this.. But since I live in an apartment it's not really on the cards anyhow.
 
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This makes me think twice about my recent adoption of Monitor Audio standmount speakers.....It does hurt just a little on top. Just as John Atkinson observed here: http://www.stereophile.com/standloudspeakers/907mon/

Not too sure if I can live with it for how long.

He speaks of "a propensity to brightness"...do you hear that as a general tonal characteristic of the GS10's or only when the dynamics in the recorded material come up? Because let me be very clear, I DO NOT like a "bright" speaker. Upper mids and ANY portion of HF can not have any sort of upward tilt otherwise I'm running out of the room. The only time I like to hear highs that reach that slightly uncomfortable level is when the material is hitting a dynamic peak. Stand in a room when someone hits a crash cymbal...it hurts a little. Or stand in a room with a brass instrument gettin a good push from the lungs...it hurts. That's what I'm referring to. And even at half the sonic intensity of the real deal, which is more in line with my listening levels, it's still going to need to be a little intense to convey the realism.
 
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He speaks of "a propensity to brightness"...do you hear that as a general tonal characteristic of the GS10's or only when the dynamics in the recorded material come up? Because let me be very clear, I DO NOT like a "bright" speaker. Upper mids and ANY portion of HF can not have any sort of upward tilt otherwise I'm running out of the room. The only time I like to hear highs that reach that slightly uncomfortable level is when the material is hitting a dynamic peak. Stand in a room when someone hits a crash cymbal...it hurts a little. Or stand in a room with a brass instrument gettin a good push from the lungs...it hurts. That's what I'm referring to. And even at half the sonic intensity of the real deal, which is more in line with my listening levels, it's still going to need to be a little intense to convey the realism.

Well if that's what you meant, you're not really talking about a tilt per se. It would be more about the ability to reproduce all that high with no roof.

I don't know man. Most speakers that people talk about as being 'neutral' ain't so neutral once you played a violin tune. A violin tune can be pretty harsh on a ear, yet if some speakers reproduced that as it is people would call it bright.
 
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Same with most brass instruments and cymbals. Realism has edge. If it doesn't in the reproduction it's been heavily diluted...except at low or low/moderate listening levels but at those levels can you even really say it's possible to convey the element of realism. I don't think you can.
 
What Tomlinmgt said in his first post makes sense and actually explains a lot about his speaker choices over the past 4 or 5 years.

5 years ago was my starting point in the hobby. It took a few years to stumble upon the characteristics that showed me my path.

It's kind of like going out to a big theater to see a movie once in a while rather than renting the DVD/blu-ray for a week.

Ha! Close...one of my friends actually said it reminded him of an IMAX theater experience (he's heard the Altec 19's and Acoustats). Now I don't know about that, but it does have a tendency to get the juices flowin'.
 
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Roll all the good post into one!:smoke:

Actually my taste shift with what mood I am in, and what I feel like listening to, that not only speaks for which speakers I like, but also what table I am listening to and what amps I use as well. I might have three or four tables all out front and three or four sets of speakers with several amps all able to connect within each other in seconds. I do tend to lean towards larger speakers that are full range capable, actually I don't have many small speakers. It is all about what seems fun for the night.
 
After spending almost 2 decades listening to my Bose AM5-Series II and not ever realizing I was missing out on a significant portion of the music, I had the pleasure of listening to a pair of old-school bi-wire SF Concertinos at a friend's house and was floored that so much great sound was coming out of reasonably smallish speakers.

So for my 'what I want(ed) out of speakers', I propose the following:

1) Vocals - I want vocals so real I'm convinced the artist is in my living room.

2) Clarity - I want music to be crisp, clean, and very detailed.

3) Imaging - I want a realistic soundstage that absorbs me into the music.

4) Volume - I want a speaker that will satisfy my listening requirements at a lower volume, yet be willing to join me in washing the car on Saturday afternoons.

5) Frequency Range - I want a speaker that can provide a reasonably flat response throughout the range of the music I listen to.

6) Style - I want a speaker that looks every bit as good as it sounds. Wood cabinets a must this time around. Floorstanding a plus.

7) Price - I don't mind dropping a couple bucks on something that I intend to enjoy for a long time, but I'd like it to still be at least a moderately reasonable price.

The Concertinos checked all the boxes (except being floorstanding, though they have great looking stands), I kept trying to get my hands on a set, yet kept having them slip through my through my fingers.

So I made my own with the help from members of AK. Again, I thank you! :thmbsp: Exact copies, including correct drivers and handmade crossovers from the original schematics. Only the cabinets are obviously not Concertino.

They sound every bit as awesome as the SFs, and have been checking all my boxes ever since they were connected.
 
I like speakers that image well and are not fatiguing, I like clear midrange and I hate boomy bass & sibilant distortion -

If they don't image well then they better be huge, amazingly rare, cool looking or worth a billion dollars.
 
I need speakers to sound big and full. As such I have only found large speakers to fit the bill.

I've also discovered that I like a huge soundstage. I want to close my eyes and feel like the walls have disappeared. Similarly, there needs to great placement and separation with instruments and vocals.

I need bass that goes deep and has some kick but doesn't overwhelm the other aspects of the music.

Absolute clarity isn't as critical to me as the speakers balance and soundstage.

I think a good speaker to describe my thoughts are Dahlquist DQ-10's with a couple of subs. Laid back, big soundstage, and they image well. Far from the precision or accuracy of modern speakers but, they can be listened to for hours on end and they fill the room with pleasant sound.

Beyond what I've said I agree with Tom and I'd literally pay money to hear a few of his setups.
 
While I value a lot of things about a speaker, perhaps at the top of my list is tonal balance and dynamic scale. Without proper tone, a speaker is fatally flawed. But a speaker must also get the dynamic scale of instruments, singers, and bands right....otherwise it just sounds like a stereo. This occurs at a macro level like when your favorite rock or blues band kicks it in high gear, but also at the micro level, so that a cymbal crash sounds right and decays properly, or a wicked trumpet solo is played. More than anything tone and dynamic scale is what defines the sounds we hear, what the essence of music sounds like.

I also want a speaker to image well, to create that illusion of a performance. Now it does not need to be bigger than life, but to create a nice layered and stable image with the speaker disappearing. Also the mids have to be spot on, with a naturalness that conveys what a voice or instrument sounds natural.

Bass isn't a huge deal for me, but I do like it. As long as it is fast and tight i don't care if it does not reach the lowest of low. But I don't want it to stick out like a sore thumb. Having a cohesive sound from top to bottom is a goal for sure.

Finally a speaker should be efficient enough to be used with low powered amps. Not only is this a characteristic that aids that ability to render dynamic scale, it also allows for amplification that uses fewer parts, shorter signal paths, and a more direct design. I am not a fan of 200 watt plus amps into 85db efficient speakers. I prefer 8 wpc into 96 dB+ speakers.

And this usually means horns. I love horns and bass bins. I cannot afford a pair right now, so i got the next best thing. a co-axial 10" speaker in an open baffle arrangement and a pair of 10" bass drivers on each side. But I am plotting for horns, they are going to be my next big purchase. It may take a few years but i will get there. The horns could be made of wood, or an automotive painted fiberglass, or even paper mache. Yes there is someone building a very intriguing paper mache horn these days.

Regards
Mister Pig

Thought I'd give this thread a courtesy bump.

Mister Pig is after much of what I'm after with my main system. When he speaks of tonal balance, I assume he means timbre. This is often a characteristic of the better large-cab efficients from the '50's and '60's. A piano sounds like a piano, a guitar like a guitar, etc. When a dog barks (like if you're watching a movie or listening to "Pet Sounds"), it sounds like a dog, and enough to get the neighbor's dog to bark (Not that I ever made a practice of that. ;) Just stating an example). And I agree about dynamic scale as well. Once you've had that and gotten used to it, there's no substitute. I also like a laid-back speaker. The old ported, tube-era speakers with simple crossovers seem to handle added EQ quite-well, and my tube rig is very-good at adding a little extra bass when I want it (Bass-LIFT they called it), OR some extra highs. I don't touch the mids. They're already perfect. If I feel like tweaking the mids, I do it at the speaker.

But reading through this thread, you really get a sense of how much individual tastes and expectations vary. I love big speakers, but my W90's are possibly the biggest speaker I can get away with in a 12'x14' space without the sound getting shouty or too-in-your-face, which I really don't like. I learned fairly-recently that low bass needs distance. The farther back I sit, the deeper the bass digs. I really need to push my speakers back a bit. I just haven't yet because it'll take some effort, including the task of measuring, moving them a bit, measuring again, moving them, remeasuring, moving, re-re-measuring, etc. It would be simple, but I have them on heavy homemade stands, plus they're heavy speakers. I don't know, maybe I'm just lazy. Yeah, that must be it.



I want real-sounding, the artists are in the room, midrange.
The Duplexes do that for me.

That's what W90's and the other large-sized Wharfedales do best, thankfully. I would bet that Crestwood23's current main setup (the one he plays most) rivals the best home setups in that regard. It must really be something. I've heard stories. I'll get there myself soon enough. Just need to save enough cash and keep a sharp eye out there for the pieces I need to complete the puzzle. Can't wait. This should be the one, the amp/pre/speakers combo that should do it all for me, and at that point, you can throw all the tube amp distortion specs stories you want at me, and it won't matter a bit.

Actually, it already doesn't matter. I love my gear. It's the ROOM that I hate, and the electrical outlets and wiring here. But I'm already working on that. I shuffled some things around to lighten the load on the living room circuit (which in itself made a substantial difference), plus I have a high-quality UPS on it's way that should give my system a real boost and keep the voltage nice and steady. It will also filter the electrical and get rid of all the calamari in these lines (Ever seen "The Matrix"? The "squiddies" are all the noise and distortion compromising the signal and my system's response). I should have it by the middle of next week, if the tracking estimate is right.

One thing I require of my gear is that it has to be able to funk with the best of 'em. It's gotta' make me wanna' get up and shake my groove thang. Engaging musicality is extremely-important to me. The bass must be clean and coherent enough to properly-maintain the groove, so there can't be any overhang. No one-note bass. I have to be able to feel that connection between the bass and drums as far as the groove is concerned. And since I love funk so much, my system has got to be able to properly-reproduce instruments like the clavinet, Hammond B3 organ, horn instruments like the baritone sax, string section instruments, the Rhodes electric piano, and all those old-school electric guitar sounds. Even handclaps. I really got spoiled on that stuff with my current setup, so anything less just won't do, at least not with my main system.
 
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1. Soundstage, soundstage, and soundstage.
2. Tonally balanced from top to bottom.

I like speakers to be pretty neutral, but not boring.

They can't be huge or they physically will not fit in our space or will at least limit placement.

I really don't care about extended bass. If they can get down to 50 and reproduce it cleanly I'm pretty happy. I don't care about power handling or being able to handle huge dynamic swings either.

I am usually not a fan of speakers with a ton of drivers and crossover points.

Looks are not terribly important. Simple is fine. I dislike anything too ornate.
 
I just wanted to say how much I enjoyed this thread.
I have owned so many different speakers over the years, and experienced so many more. I would not look to compare numbers with anyone here, but I firmly belong in this camp rather than out in the cold with the sound system heathens.

I cannot say that I have ever had a speaker stop me dead in my tracks, but there are certainly some that I took a long pause to take notice of them. My current setup allows for that. I actually get to enjoy my music, rather than just hear it.

I tend to like a brighter speaker than most people I know, and I definitely like a speaker that reaches as low as possible. The response does not have to be perfectly linear for me, but I have to hear everything that I know is there, and hear it fully.

Sorry if my response was not as technical or flowery, just the facts.
 
I just wanted to say how much I enjoyed this thread.
I have owned so many different speakers over the years, and experienced so many more. I would not look to compare numbers with anyone here, but I firmly belong in this camp rather than out in the cold with the sound system heathens.

I cannot say that I have ever had a speaker stop me dead in my tracks, but there are certainly some that I took a long pause to take notice of them. My current setup allows for that. I actually get to enjoy my music, rather than just hear it.

I tend to like a brighter speaker than most people I know, and I definitely like a speaker that reaches as low as possible. The response does not have to be perfectly linear for me, but I have to hear everything that I know is there, and hear it fully.

Sorry if my response was not as technical or flowery, just the facts.

Thanks... And welcome to AK... It's all techniflower from here on out. ;)
 
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