What the best Kabuki speakers you have heard

I just can believe sound quality was the focus for most of these. Many just don't make sense. Japanese have a flamboyant artistic side, the anime, the crazy car builds, wild geisha makeup. I believe these are manifestation of that flare. They are meant to be outlandish and attention grabbing.

Did they really just keep installing more tweeters and bigger woofers until it sounded the best?

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What they do have is beautiful looking cabs and wild looking drivers and we are here 40 years later talking about. Fun topic.

I had Sansui SP-3000 my father bought new in the south pacific on base. I inherited them. Beautiful speakers. Sounded OK but like a lot of them, thin bass that does not go low, semi shouty mids, pretty crappy tweeters. These were powered by a bought new Pioneer SX-1010 which I still have, and it's awesome.

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Funny what you said about do they really just keep installing drivers until they sound good. I have no idea what they were doing. But I like to think they were trying to just be over the top and sound good. Maybe they all need the kind of receiver or amp they came with and to play music from that era. I mean for a large majority of them they were using quality components. So it wasn't being cheap. How they aren't the best sounding soeakers on the planet is beyond me.
 
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Here they are with the Kenwood KL-9090x in front, and one of the ARC amps. The amplifiers still weigh more than a complete SP-X11000. Good thing I have a basement to house all this stuff!
Awesome picture. That makes the Kenwood look small. And those Kenwoods are pretty large if I am correct on that. I am not familiar with an Arc amp. Sorry. I still have a lot to learn.
 
Awesome picture. That makes the Kenwood look small. And those Kenwoods are pretty large if I am correct on that. I am not familiar with an Arc amp. Sorry. I still have a lot to learn.

Audio Research is a US manufacturer of high end tube amps. They really have no business being used with Kabuki speakers, because their abilities are a bit wasted this way, but it certainly does let the speakers work to their potential.

Funny what you said about do they really just jeep installing drivers until they sound good. I have no idea what they were doing. Bit I like to think they were trying g to just be over the top and sound good. Maybe they all need the kind of receiver or amp they cane with and to play music from that era. I mean for a large majority of them they were using quality components. So it wasn't being cheap.How they aren't the best sounding soeakers on the planet is beyond me.

Multiple drivers increase sensitivity and power handling, and look more like 1970s Japanese tech. The components are good quality in a sense, but they lack sophistication, so you will never get the smooth and realistic sound which say BBC monitors are famous for. But if the objective is to listen to DEATH at concert volumes, without worrying about blowing speakers, the Kabuki speakers would make a lot more sense than say a pair of Harbeths.
 
Regarding the SP-3000, I suspect the worst of those sonic anomalies may be cured by replacing the crossover capacitors, if it hasn't been done yet. I experienced the same thing with my SP-3005 though and even with new capacitors they have a sort of hollow ringing quality to the mids, and the tweeters can't convey any nuance. To be fair many vintage speakers share these defects. They do however do a respectable job with early 1970s rock music.

My father bought them new in the early 70's (along with new Bose 901, Pioneer SX-1010 receiver, Pioneer turn table, Pioneer reel to reel) while we lived on an army base. I have literally heard them since new and my whole life. While I was a kid when new I seem to remember them always sounding about the same. I sold both the 901s and SP-3000 15 or so years ago. I still own the mint SX-1010.

Here is a story I posted about it - https://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/thanks-dad-the-story-of-a-pioneer-sx-1010.984607/
 
I actually like my Sansui SP-2500s, especially after a recap and loosening the surrounds with brake fluid. I guess they aren't crazy kabuki with respect to the number of drivers.

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Coral BX-1201s aren't bad. Not great either. Cool reversible grilles, though.

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Yeah couple guys said the Sansui SP-2000 was actually a pretty good speaker. Now your saying the SP-2500 is pretty good. Maybe the smaller ones were better than the larger ones in that line. They sure were good looking speakers. And the Corals don't seem to get much positive reviews for sound. But they seem to be nice looking also.
 
Say kabuki and it usually lights up the forum, everyone should try them out! I think the original thought was speakers with several drivers installed but still sounded bad.

I do have a lot of pre-1977 Japanese Speakers (with lattice grills), they are all stretched-wrapped in storage, maybe not full-on kabuki. I used to see them all of the time and it was hard to turn them down, they aren't bad looking and the build quality was really good with nice cabinets and grills. I feel like most of them were part of a military base audio purchase, maybe they gave a package deal?

My big ones are something like the Sansui SP-200's, I can't remember off the top of my head but they are mid-60's and super heavy; I might have to put in a work-order to redo the caps and revisit them, otherwise it's time to move them on.

On a side note, just drove by Audio Research the other day and Magnaplaner about a month ago, we still have a few guys around......
 
Say kabuki and it usually lights up the forum, everyone should try them out! I think the original thought was speakers with several drivers installed but still sounded bad.

I do have a lot of pre-1977 Japanese Speakers (with lattice grills), they are all stretched-wrapped in storage, maybe not full-on kabuki. I used to see them all of the time and it was hard to turn them down, they aren't bad looking and the build quality was really good with nice cabinets and grills. I feel like most of them were part of a military base audio purchase, maybe they gave a package deal?

My big ones are something like the Sansui SP-200's, I can't remember off the top of my head but they are mid-60's and super heavy; I might have to put in a work-order to redo the caps and revisit them, otherwise it's time to move them on.

On a side note, just drove by Audio Research the other day and Magnaplaner about a month ago, we still have a few guys around......

This thread motivated me to connect up the giant speakers and play some music! I've had them going all morning, lots of fun!

I wonder how Audio Research is dealing with the whole Russian tube supply chain issues, they've been exclusively using Russian tubes since the 1990s. They sure make a great product! Do they (or magnepan) ever sell factory seconds locally?

I've never heard the SP-200, but they look cool in the catalog. No doubt new capacitors will help, but those speakers don't appear likely to retrieve every last detail from a Dire Straits album :)
 
Funny what you said about do they really just jeep installing drivers until they sound good. I have no idea what they were doing. Bit I like to think they were trying g to just be over the top and sound good. Maybe they all need the kind of receiver or amp they cane with and to play music from that era. I mean for a large majority of them they were using quality components. So it wasn't being cheap.How they aren't the best sounding soeakers on the planet is beyond me.

It was a cheap 'n dirty way to increase output and power-handling from small, fragile mids and tweeters of the day. High efficiency was the name of the game here, in order to extract as much sound as possible from the average 25wpc tube and early solid-state amps of the 1960s without making speakers that were the size of a small fridge*. It also meant that you could build a full lineup from the same parts bin, adding extra drivers to make the next model up the chain (drastically reducing R&D and manufacturing costs). However, there are a lot of drawbacks to just adding extra mids and tweeters and supertweeters. Sound waves radiate outward from a speaker cone (both forwards and backwards), so if you have two speakers playing the exact same signal, you have two "bubbles" of energy coming towards you. Remember the movie "Ghostbusters", where they warned about not crossing the streams? That's what happens here, and so these "bubbles" start overlapping. Depending on the exact frequency, they can cause constructive interference (the signal becomes louder), or destructive interference (the signal becomes quieter, or even cancelled out). These leads to a jagged response called "comb filtering", which is further aggravated by the fact that these two identical soundwaves will arrive at your ears at different times, as they're emanating from at least two different points. If you're listening in the ideal "sweet spot", then none of this will matter and the speaker sounds excellent, but the sound will change dramatically if you move a muscle. Having a many-way crossover also introduces it's own issues, as each crossover can induce a phase shift, and provide more opportunities for drivers to overlap at the crossover points. All speakers suffer from these issues from one extent or another, and you can skirt around it with extremely careful designs (ie: line arrays) or mitigate it by listening further away from the speakers, but generally it gets worse and worse the more drivers you add. Hence why you rarely see anything more than a 3-way speaker these days, and some audiophiles swear by full-range drivers or coaxial/point-source speakers. And truth be told, there is something magical and cohesive about a really good full-ranger, even if they don't come close to reproducing the full spectrum of sound. Give a pair of KEF Q150's, or even a nice clock radio, a listen, and you'll see what I mean.

*There's a traditional rule in the loudspeaker business, known as Hoffman's Iron Law, which states: "Bass Extension, Efficiency, and Size. Pick two." You can create a small speaker with lots of bass, but it'll be need gobs of power. You can create a small speaker that screams on one watt, but it won't make any bass. You can create a speaker that will peel paint from the walls and damage your foundation, but it'll be absolutely ginormous. Modern technology's made this less of an issue, but the rules still apply to one extent or another. The Hoffman in question was the "H" in KLH, who built their reputation on the KLH Model Six, a reasonably-sized and reasonably-priced two-way acoustic suspension loudspeaker that was wildly popular in the late 1950s and 1960s. It was flat from 40Hz through 16kHz, which was more than competitive with the gigantic corner horns and full-rangers that dominated the HiFi market of the 1950's, and played a big role in helping make stereo practical and affordable to the average person (I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the Acoustic Research AR3A and Dynaco A25 here). However, while those corner horns can sing on just 3 watts of tube power, the KLH's need at least 20. Those acoustic suspension "bookshelf" speakers sparked the demand for higher power amps and really used them to their highest potential as they can soak up power like a sponge, whereas the screaming 'suis tend to compress audibly if you start packing on the power.
 
This thread motivated me to connect up the giant speakers and play some music! I've had them going all morning, lots of fun!

I wonder how Audio Research is dealing with the whole Russian tube supply chain issues, they've been exclusively using Russian tubes since the 1990s. They sure make a great product! Do they (or magnepan) ever sell factory seconds locally?

I've never heard the SP-200, but they look cool in the catalog. No doubt new capacitors will help, but those speakers don't appear likely to retrieve every last detail from a Dire Straits album :)
Oh man. You live way too far away for me to come over and have a listen
 
Had Sansui SP200s and they were OK at the time for garage duty. As my musical and equipment tastes evolved I moved them along. My garage now runs a completely refurbished pair of AR2ax with a Pioneer SX838 receiver for the last 10 years. It isn't even close. As others have said, the Sansuis could play loud but it was not a full or thick sound. My 3 car garage has open trusses and it sucks up the bass. The ARs fill it quite well though.
 
Had Sansui SP200s and they were OK at the time for garage duty. As my musical and equipment tastes evolved I moved them along. My garage now runs a completely refurbished pair of AR2ax with a Pioneer SX838 receiver for the last 10 years. It isn't even close. As others have said, the Sansuis could play loud but it was not a full or thick sound. My 3 car garage has open trusses and it sucks up the bass. The ARs fill it quite well though.
Man that is a helluva garage stereo setup. Very nice. People talking about all these pieces of equipment , make me want to hear all of them. Well almost all of them. Ha ha. How do you like the SX-838?
 
Man that is a helluva garage stereo setup. Very nice. People talking about all these pieces of equipment , make me want to hear all of them. Well almost all of them. Ha ha. How do you like the SX-838?
I really like the Pioneer. I've tried many other receivers and integrateds there but the Pioneer stays king of the garage. The whole SX-X3X line is special IMO (SX535, 636,737,838,939 and 1010). Recent prices put the SX1010 out of reach for many but the 939 and 838 are great mid powered receivers. The SX737 is also a really nice unit that gets a lot of praise. I mainly use HD streaming and a Cambridge Audio CD player with mine but FM sees a lot of use with an independent public radio station. It has a good tuner.
 
I really like the Pioneer. I've tried many other receivers and integrateds there but the Pioneer stays king of the garage. The whole SX-X3X line is special IMO (SX535, 636,737,838,939 and 1010). Recent prices put the SX1010 out of reach for many but the 939 and 838 are great mid powered receivers. The SX737 is also a really nice unit that gets a lot of praise. I mainly use HD streaming and a Cambridge Audio CD player with mine but FM sees a lot of use with an independent public radio station. It has a good tuner.
My only Pioneer receiver so far has been the Pioneer SX-1000TW. 50 watts from 1971. I will get a more powerful Pioneer one day for sure.
 
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I'll have a look at those. Haven't seen those ever. I did just buy some Pioneer HPM-900 soeakers. But I dont really call them Kabuki. I want to try out and hear a set of full blown Kabuki speakers one day. Lol. Probably like wanting to try out a really hot silicone babe that looks so hot but you know it's most likely not going to last
 
Ahh kabooki .....sure look interesting. But did not last....they all went away.......I’m drowning in crap over here as it is/was......pioneers were not kabuki.....akais I never heard 100%. Def something attractive about big woofers.......View attachment 2538833
Lol. Yes you have a few sets there. What are the models ? I Can't read them. And what is your favorite?
 
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It’s out there alright.
6 speakers,1x15,1x5, 3 horns, and one super tweeter.
Digging it out will be the challenge.
I don’t even know if it works.
It probably does.
Maybe I’ll dig that JBL out too. It needs refoamed. And I hope the grill isn’t hard to find.
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Hey this thread got big. Did you ever get the big Kenwood pulled put?
 
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