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What's the difference between "collecting" and 'hoarding"?

My GF calls me hoarder sometimes when I don't want to throw away extra speaker wires, ethernet cables, TV cables,, speaker magnets, adapters, old cars magazines etc...
I tell her that I may use those sometimes and she says,"You have not used them for 5 years".
Anywho, last weekend, 5 boxes of what she calls junk and what I call parts went to trash. :(

Wow, why not have donated to local Goodwill? Could still be usable (that's why we collect this stuff) to someone else, at the least you could have gotten the tax write off, even the magazines.

That can be part of the motivation to unload and de-clutter.

I've got the same problem, have collected a lot of computer parts and stuff from days in the 90's and early 2000's when me and my two sons were building computers about every 18 months. What to do with 10 internal audio cables, IDE drive cables, old video cards, Pentium CPU's, heatsinks, fans, not to mention ton's of network and coax video cables. Oh, did I mention the 8 computer CPU boxes not in service, 3 of which need recap repair, all the rest too old to use? But wait, I want to set up those old Pentium III's for a Mechwarrior network lan party like we had, like 10 years ago! Right!

The hoarder says, no I can keep it, because I'll need it someday or has a vague idea of using it or wanting it around (an emotional need to have it). The potential collector says there is inherent or perceived value so there is a reason for it to be kept - but, and a big but, can and does cull and bleed off parts of collected items (truly collected or eventually amassed) when the right motivation or decision is achieved. Usually that decision and subsequent action is eventually emotionally satisfying and positive.

For the hoarder, amassing things is some type of substitute or answer to an emotional need. It starts innocently, usually, but then becomes a powerful motivator, an addiction for some if you will, and almost becomes uncontrollable. Also, like an addiction, the stopping or clearing out of amassed items is painful, emotional, and for some, downright impossible, unthinkable, and a direct attack on the person. As mentioned above, some hoarders have projected themselves, personalities, or other emotional content into their possessions - then when family or outside interventions try to interact, the hoarder takes it very personally.

Perhaps one way of looking at collecting/hoarding behaviors is that one uses some level of common sense and reasonable thinking when making the decision to get something. Somewhere along the line, the common sense is replaced with an altered perspective of what is ok or commonly believed to be sensible. Rationalization is one way the collector and hoarder slide almost along the same continuum.

Part of our hobby is being able to get stuff we wanted when we were young but couldn't afford it. That's part nostalgia, lust, and justified partly by the value equation. Also its an expression of financial power for some, good hunting behavior for others, and sometimes some altruism (keeping out of landfills, passing on, etc). It just is.

I'm Bart. I am a collector. And a hoarder. Never sure which at any time.
 
Two pics to illustrate my point.

Pic #1 - hoarding (my wife) :no: :nono:
Pic #2 - collecting (me) :yes: :thmbsp:

How did you get a picture of my garage?? :D

Seriously though, if the garage had the same stuff, but neatly organized in racks, matching storage containers, and you actually had space to put the car in there, everyone would think she was an organized hoarder. And perception is part of it.

What I find interesting is when I go to an estate sale. I rummage around the home looking at all the things that the people had accumulated during their life. And I think "I'd never have that stuff." But then I realized their stuff, in some way, told a story and history of the people there, good or bad, lots or little, user, collector, or hoarder.

And upon leaving the estate sale, trying to remember "There But for the Grace of God go I".

What would people be thinking when they come to my estate sale?
 
WOW!! You're me.

I feel sorry for inanimate objects all the time. I got all choked up when I dropped off my 11 year old car at the dealership to pick up my new car.

I might be prone to hoarding.:sigh:
 
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I believe there is clear and real medical distinction between the two. Collecting in and of itself is perfectly healthy. Hoarding is a real and identifiable mental illness. Having watched more than a dozen episodes of the Hoarders: Buried Alive program, I've become pretty well versed. Understand also there are varying degrees and stages of hoarding. On the low end of the scale you might be holding down a job and otherwise living a normal life, but alienating family members due to the lack of space in one room. Maybe it's because on your way home you can't help but buy something at the thrift store sneaking it past your significant other. The extreme might be a maze of narrow walkways throughout your entire home surrounded by stacks of stuff that reach the ceiling all around you. No access to the stove, fridge, bathrooms, or beds. Weeks away from having your house condemned because hundreds of rats and stray animals have infiltrated your walls with feces whom have been feeding on the remnants of the six year old Funyons and 35 year old Manilow LPs under your couch turned bed.

I'd be careful to call anyone a hoarder having not seen the way they live and certainly not just because I'm aware they have a large number of a certain something. As some have mentioned, hoarding is primarily centered around the question as to "why" people bring things into their homes. Often at the heart of the answer to 'why" is a hopeless attempt to fill a void created by the loss of a family member or some other tragic event that has triggered this compulsive behavior. I'd be willing to bet that many of us could never get the equipment we now have when it was new for some reason or another. Often, there is some since of nostalgia tied to our purchase or acquisition. There may also be some sort of loss or void that is attempting to be filled as well by adding something new. That's something you have to ask yourself if you're uncertain where you fall.

Personally I know I'm safe. I don't own any Manilow LPs and the Funyons are three years old at best.:D
I have never watched the TV show, so I am not an expert.
I just read dictionaries. So I may be crazy.

I guess to me, collecting and hoarding have different goals.

Saying collecting is good and I can't possibly be addicted or have a mental illness could be a collector being in denial.
So we invent hoarding as the scapegoat so we can distinguish ourselves as the sane ones.

Really both have socially acceptable definitions and extremes whatever your opinions are.

  • Collecting is accumulating as a hobby.
  • Hoarding is stockpiling in anticipation of scarcity or future need. Yes, Hoarding can have a goal.
  • Mental illness and addiction can be a consequence of either going wild and uncontrolled.
[This is kind of getting back to DougMacs original parody of a George Carlin routine. Now, I'm alluding to another routine where he describes Baseball in peaceful friendly terms and Football in aggressive warlike terms. Substitute Baseball for Collecting and Football for Hoarding and you get the difference in attitude.]

http://www.learnersdictionary.com/search/collector
col·lec·tor Listen to audio/k??l?kt?/ noun
plural col·lec·tors
[count] 1 : a person who collects certain things as a hobby
? He is an avid stamp collector. ? The painting was purchased by a private collector.
2 : a person whose job is to collect something (such as trash or money)
? The trash collectors came early today. ? a tax/bill/debt collector

http://www.learnersdictionary.com/search/hoarding
2hoard verb
hoards; hoard·ed; hoard·ing
[+ obj] : to collect and hide a large amount of (something valuable)
hoarding money food.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoarding
Hoarding or caching is a general term for a behavior that leads people or animals to accumulate food or other items in anticipation of future need or scarcity.

From there it is a judgment whether either is an addiction or mental illness.

Which is fine because that's what the OP wanted was opinions on what we think is collecting v hoarding.

I just think they have different goals and both can have extremes. The trouble is defining the pivot point.

Jay Leno has a reputation of being an avid car (~100) and motorcycle (~90) collector/enthusiast which blows the 40/20 rule out of the water. Does he have a mental illness? I should be so lucky.
 
Collecting is deriving a peacefully positive experience from the accumulation of items which are the subject of the collection.

Hoarding is using things to push away, or prevent, the experience of pain associated with living.

The key to the distinction is the peacefulness, a collector can detach from items without losing their peace. many collectors collect different things at different times through their lives.

A hoarder experiences pain associated with the loss of items as it reveals the painful experience the items cover up. Most hoarders have all their collections since the painful experience that triggered the hoard.

ask yourself, would you be willing to sell all of your current collection to begin a new one?
 
Wow, why not have donated to local Goodwill? Could still be usable (that's why we collect this stuff) to someone else, at the least you could have gotten the tax write off, even the magazines.

That can be part of the motivation to unload and de-clutter.
Thought of that but was little bit pissed at GF.
I still have few boxes in the attic of what you described; old VCRs, Karaoke, many hard drives (I can't believe that 3.5" used to only hold 8gb, 12 gb etc...), network cards, graphic cards with 8mb memory :sigh: and so much more. For now, I've managed to keep them as long as they are in the attic. :)
When their time comes, I'll definitely drive to a goodwill.
 
I have decided to sidestep the whole "collector" vs. "hoarder" issue, and refer to myself as a "curator".

Isn't a curator someone who collects for the benefit of others?



Sometimes pictures are worth a thousand words. Can you tell which is a collection a which is a hoard?
 

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Isn't a curator someone who collects for the benefit of others?



Sometimes pictures are worth a thousand words. Can you tell which is a collection a which is a hoard?

I dunno, but want those speakers in the second picture. They would go nice with other 24 pairs of speakers in my basement.
 
Thought of that but was little bit pissed at GF.
I still have few boxes in the attic of what you described; old VCRs, Karaoke, many hard drives (I can't believe that 3.5" used to only hold 8gb, 12 gb etc...), network cards, graphic cards with 8mb memory :sigh: and so much more. For now, I've managed to keep them as long as they are in the attic. :)
When their time comes, I'll definitely drive to a goodwill.

Heh, it's all good. Speaking of hard drives, I've got a drawer full of them, probably 20 of them, 2gb up to 40gb, a bit paranoid about any info on them so have wanted to get them connected via external drive interfaces, download everything, and then wipe them double good (write and wipe) before donating them. Still, they would work well as they originally did on the low level pentiums I have that ran on Win98/2000 when I ran games...hmm could still get that LAN up someday...sick!

Here may be one definition of hoarding (or lazyness) - holding onto something of value for so long that it doesn't have any value any more or the condition deteriorated so much that the value drops - like the VCR's. I've gone through probably 6 of them, have two more to get rid of, but actually still need at least one good one to transfer some old tape to digital storage. sheesh, it never ends.
 
Saw this website which has some interesting perspectives and comments as a discussion of hoarding behavior and OCD.

http://understanding_ocd.tripod.com/index_hoarding.html

Hoarding & Saving Symptoms are found in 18% to 42% of OCD patients. But most people who Hoard will also exhibit OCD symptoms.
Less than 1% of the population Hoards (Non clinical populations are also known to Hoard.).

There are other mental disorders in which Hoarding Behavior is seen, such as.: Anorexia Nervosa, Dementia and sometimes Psychotic Disorders.
The differences between these types are not know yet.

4 keywords that are found when talking about Hoarding are.: Indecisiveness, Perfectionism, Procrastination, Avoidance.

Also, on the next page, an interesting discussion of the in-between state, the clutterer.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A HOARDER AND A CLUTTERER.
While both terms are used to denote someone who accumulates many things to the point of it becoming a problem there still is a difference.

Hoarder.:
Someone who Hoards has psychiatric condition that affects less than 1 % of the population.
The person obsesses over his stuff and will most likely not find a solution unless professional help is sought.
The collected stuff will cause serious distress and discomfort and will limit the person's ability to make good use of his house or rooms. They will not take out trash and will often keep about anything.

Clutterer.:
Cluttering affects millions of people.
Someone that lives amongst clutter accumulates without much thought and would probably be able to make the changes themselves if motivated enough to do so.
Often this will never get to such an extreme point as to debilitate the persons freedom and comfort. They will be able to take out trash and throw things away if given enough reason.

While not appropo to the collector, many of us do have a lot of clutter. It's a difficult thing to throw or give stuff away, but it does get done for the clutterer.

Thought it might help. Read some of the stories on that site from hoarders.
 
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